Fulfilled Prophecy?

[_grindael]

Jo,

How about answering how Parley P. Pratt if he was a true prophet could prophesy that in 50 years from 1838 that there would not be an unbelieving Gentile left in America, and that if not the Book of Mormon was false.

[_Samantabhadra]

jo, we already went over that citation. It is being taken out of context. God is mocking the Judges for their arrogance, thinking that they are equal to the Most High. They are rewarding the wicked and punishing the virtuous, and they are being called out on it.

[_grindael]

"Ye are gods and all of you are the children of the Most High"? It's right there in the Bible in plain English also! Do you believe that?

Yes, now answer my question.

[_grindael]

jo, we already went over that citation. It is being taken out of context. God is mocking the Judges for their arrogance, thinking that they are equal to the Most High. They are rewarding the wicked and punishing the virtuous, and they are being called out on it.

There is more to it than that Sam, because Jesus mentioned it in John. I'm willing to discuss it, but not yet. They have to answer for their failed prophets, and I'm not done with my discussion with Paul, nor with re-incarnation. But you have the right of it in that instance.

[_grindael]

That discussion involves Bible Translations, Michael Heiser, the Ugarit texts, asherah, and a lot of side issues, like theosis (Divinization - which Christ spoke of), and how Joseph Smith didn't understand how to translate the word elohim. I'm certainly willing to discuss it - though I'm sure it has been discussed here (as you say) in depth.

[_sheryl]

Samantabhadra and Grindael,

The entire text of Psalm 82 indicates that 'gods' is referring to children of the One True God, gods in other words, though they do not know who or what they are, and so they die like all mortals.

He is not mocking, but trying to awaken the judges who judge poorly to their True Self in God, the True Light. Also when it is said that God will judge the world, the psalmist is not implying that the world will suffer for their arrogance, but that God will swiftly free the world from the delusion that has it in bondage.

God is merciful. His judgment is a means to deliver his mercy. Hallelu-Yah!

And so when Yeshua quoted this psalm in John 10, he is saying your scriptures have God saying that you are indeed gods, so why do you call it blasphemy for one who is anointed of God and sent into this world to call himself a god, a son, a child of the One True God?

There is no mocking. And obviously in how Yeshua is using this psalm, he does not see any mocking.

This is the darkness - what keeps man blinded and ignorant of who we are in God, that we are all children of God, thus it is intended that we be gods in this world. I agree that it is wrong to interpret this to say we are equal to God, we are not. The intention for our creation is that we become vehicles for God, thus Sons of God. But only after we have been perfected, made whole, only after what is intended for us has been accomplished and fulfilled. Adonai Yeshua is our elder sibling, the first fruit in this world, who opened the Way for the same that was accomplished in him to be accomplished in each of us.

Psalm 82 revealed the intent for all of men, which is why Yeshua is questioning his nay-sayers in John 10, for they are calling the one in whom what was intended, as declared by their scriptures, has been accomplished, a blasphemer.

Shalom!

Sheryl

[_gdemetz]

Correct Sheryl! The Evangelicals try to use that "judges" excuse, but it is a very lame one. If that were all there was to it, then there would have been know reason for the added part "and all of you are the children of the most high."

Grindale, you should read my post "Prophets and Apostles are not Perfect" on this site. That could explain your alleged Pratt quote. Merely giving a strong opinion that one believes does not necessarily constitute a revelation from the Lord.

[_sheryl]

Correct Sheryl! The Evangelicals try to use that "judges" excuse, but it is a very lame one. If that were all there was to it, then there would have been know reason for the added part "and all of you are the children of the most high."

Grindale, you should read my post "Prophets and Apostles are not Perfect" on this site. That could explain your alleged Pratt quote. Merely giving a strong opinion that one believes does not necessarily constitute a revelation from the Lord.

Indeed! A study of Hebrew reveals this verity. Elohim is Mother God, and elohim are Her Children.

El Eloah Elohim. God, Feminine God, Pregnant Mother God. It is our Spirit that she gives birth to, thus when we are born of Spirit, we are elohim.

[_Samantabhadra]

God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.[a]
2 How long will you judge unjustly,
And show partiality to the wicked?
3 Defend the poor and fatherless;
Do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy;
Free them from the hand of the wicked.
5 They do not know, nor do they understand;
They walk about in darkness;
All the foundations of the earth are unstable.
6 I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
7 But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.”
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations.

This is addressed to the "Judges" of the eponymous Book. They were called "gods" because of their divinely-appointed role. They were metaphorically called "Children of the Most High" because they were supposed to be ruling over Israel in Yahweh's stead. But Psalm 82 is very clearly castigating them for their hypocrisy, which is how this verse has always been interpreted by Jews and Christians alike. First God calls out the hypocrisy of the Judges. Then he tells them what to do. Finally he issues a warning: sure, people call them "gods" and "children of the Most High." But they will die like dogs.

Do you have even a single argument that doesn't rely on twisting the plain meaning of Scripture beyond any sort of recognition? Nobody disputes this interpretation, nobody has ever disputed this interpretation... until the Satanic occultist heresy of Joseph Smith.

[_grindael]

I don't have to read it. I can take one quote from Joseph Smith and show that what they REVEALED, was never in error. I've already heard all the arguments, and they amount to nothing, usually by taking quotes like this, and only quoting the part of it in color:

"When did I EVER teach anything wrong from this stand? When was I ever confounded? I want to triumph in Israel before I depart hence and am no longer seen. I never told you I was perfect, but there have been no error in the revelations I have taught. Must I be thrown away as a thing of naught? ~Joseph Smith, May 12, 1844, HotC Vol. 6, pages 366-67.

Mormons today, have changed the meaning of what a prophet is, by stating that only what is voted upon as BINDING is scripture. This contradicts everything early Mormon leaders said, and I have a plethora of quotes to back this up.