Fulfilled Prophecy?

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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?

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That's true, it can be used as singular also. However, in Genesis, when it is translated "let us make man" it is plural showing clearly that it is more than one God, and as defined by Word IQ; "Elohim is a plural from the same root as singular El and Eloah."
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?

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"The name Elohim is unique to Hebraic thinking: it occurs only in Hebrew and in no other ancient Semitic language. The masculine plural ending does not mean “gods” when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular (e.g., see Gen. 1:26)."

From the link I posted.

http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim1.htm

There's another link that explains it more clearly.
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Read part two of that link I just posted. It addresses the very same verse in Genesis. Its still singular in the original Hebrew.
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That's nonsense Kittens! How many times and how many sites have I seen it as defines as plural! I just quoted you the exact definition, and not from someone who has an agenda!!!
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gdemetz wrote:That's nonsense Kittens! How many times and how many sites have I seen it as defines as plural! I just quoted you the exact definition, and not from someone who has an agenda!!!


From WordIQ.com, the source you provided:

"The form of the word Elohim, with the ending -im, is plural and masculine, but the construction is usually singular, i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective when referring to the Hebrew god, but reverts to its normal plural when used of heathen divinities."

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Elohim
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Mittens, you are just quote mining! It also states: "Elohim may be a collective plural when the Gods act in concert." "The polytheist theory would also explain why there are three words built on the same stem: El, Elohim, and Eloah. El, the Father God has many divine sons, who are known by the plural of His name, Elohim, or Els. Eloah, might then be used to differentiate each of the lesser gods from El Himself."

However, "The etymology of Elohim is prehistoric, and therefore unknown."

Thank goodness for the "restitution of all things"!
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gdemetz wrote:Mittens, you are just quote mining! It also states: "Elohim may be a collective plural when the Gods act in concert." "The polytheist theory would also explain why there are three words built on the same stem: El, Elohim, and Eloah. El, the Father God has many divine sons, who are known by the plural of His name, Elohim, or Els. Eloah, might then be used to differentiate each of the lesser gods from El Himself."

However, "The etymology of Elohim is prehistoric, and therefore unknown."

Thank goodness for the "restitution of all things"!


Mittens? No, I think not. Don't compare me to Willard Mittens Romney.

Quote mining?

You've only posted bits from one source that back up your warped view of the Tanach.

The second source I provided you was written by Nehemia Gordon, a man with a Master's degree in Biblical Study from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. He was an assistant on the Dead Sea Scrolls Publication Project. I think he knows a little more than you and I about the Hebrew language.
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?

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So what kittens?! Mark Smith , whom I quoted from Wikipedia has a PHD! I have already stated that Elohim is plural for God (it can also be used as singular), and you have yet to prove me wrong!!!
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?

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gdemetz wrote:So what kittens?! Mark Smith , whom I quoted from Wikipedia has a PHD! I have already stated that Elohim is plural for God (it can also be used as singular), and you have yet to prove me wrong!!!


You didn't read any of the sources I provided. The time length between my posts and yours is proof enough.

Your source wasn't Wikipedia.

Not to mention that your source (WordIQ) says that Elohim is used as singular and plural.

By the way, all those !!!! don't add to your credibility, quite the contrary.
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?

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The Wikipedia page says this:

"Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is a grammatically singular or plural noun for 'god' or 'gods' in both modern and ancient Hebrew language."

This is backed up by two sources on the wiki page. Both are experts in Hebrew. One, a Lewis Glinert, has a PhD. in Linguistics and is a professor of Hebrew at Dartmouth.

Get it?
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