Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Mittens you neither understand Baptist or Mormon doctrine! I just gave you a direct quote from the Southern Baptist Convention's own recorded doctrine! Duh?!? Also, if you don't even understand your own beliefs, how in the world can I expect you to understand Mormon doctrine?!? Yes, Joseph Smith stated it correctly, having witnessed it himself, "THREE GODS"! What you can never seem to understand, and I am starting to believe that it is beyond your capacity, is the fact that these three Gods make up what is termed by Mormons as the "Godhead," and that Godhead is worshiped as "one God"!!!!!!!
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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gdemetz wrote:Mittens you neither understand Baptist or Mormon doctrine! I just gave you a direct quote from the Southern Baptist Convention's own recorded doctrine! Duh?!? Also, if you don't even understand your own beliefs, how in the world can I expect you to understand Mormon doctrine?!? Yes, Joseph Smith stated it correctly, having witnessed it himself, "THREE GODS"! What you can never seem to understand, and I am starting to believe that it is beyond your capacity, is the fact that these three Gods make up what is termed by Mormons as the "Godhead," and that Godhead is worshiped as "one God"!!!!!!!


I never seen a Southern Baptist Convention's statement just your misunderstanding of it, why not hyperlink it so I can understand the content. My Baptist Minster speaks on the Trinity and uses the Trinity Triangle which states One God Three separate persons
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Google it Mittens! It's a direct quote!!!
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Here's the Southern Baptist Convention's statement on God

God

There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.

[Like I have always said essence, being, substance our the same as God or Godhead] which is always One, Persons is always plural

A. God the Father

God as Father reigns with providential care over His universe, His creatures, and the flow of the stream of human history according to the purposes of His grace. He is all powerful, all knowing, all loving, and all wise. God is Father in truth to those who become children of God through faith in Jesus Christ. He is fatherly in His attitude toward all men.

Genesis 1:1; 2:7; Exodus 3:14; 6:2-3; 15:11ff.; 20:1ff.; Leviticus 22:2; Deuteronomy 6:4; 32:6; 1 Chronicles 29:10; Psalm 19:1-3; Isaiah 43:3,15; 64:8; Jeremiah 10:10; 17:13; Matthew 6:9ff.; 7:11; 23:9; 28:19; Mark 1:9-11; John 4:24; 5:26; 14:6-13; 17:1-8; Acts 1:7; Romans 8:14-15; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 4:6; Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 1:17; Hebrews 11:6; 12:9; 1 Peter 1:17; 1 John 5:7.

B. God the Son

Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin. He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His substitutionary death on the cross He made provision for the redemption of men from sin. He was raised from the dead with a glorified body and appeared to His disciples as the person who was with them before His crucifixion. He ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord.

Genesis 18:1ff.; Psalms 2:7ff.; 110:1ff.; Isaiah 7:14; 53; Matthew 1:18-23; 3:17; 8:29; 11:27; 14:33; 16:16,27; 17:5; 27; 28:1-6,19; Mark 1:1; 3:11; Luke 1:35; 4:41; 22:70; 24:46; John 1:1-18,29; 10:30,38; 11:25-27; 12:44-50; 14:7-11; 16:15-16,28; 17:1-5, 21-22; 20:1-20,28; Acts 1:9; 2:22-24; 7:55-56; 9:4-5,20; Romans 1:3-4; 3:23-26; 5:6-21; 8:1-3,34; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2:2; 8:6; 15:1-8,24-28; 2 Corinthians 5:19-21; 8:9; Galatians 4:4-5; Ephesians 1:20; 3:11; 4:7-10; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:13-22; 2:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18; 1 Timothy 2:5-6; 3:16; Titus 2:13-14; Hebrews 1:1-3; 4:14-15; 7:14-28; 9:12-15,24-28; 12:2; 13:8; 1 Peter 2:21-25; 3:22; 1 John 1:7-9; 3:2; 4:14-15; 5:9; 2 John 7-9; Revelation 1:13-16; 5:9-14; 12:10-11; 13:8; 19:16.

C. God the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, fully divine. He inspired holy men of old to write the Scriptures. Through illumination He enables men to understand truth. He exalts Christ. He convicts men of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment. He calls men to the Saviour, and effects regeneration. At the moment of regeneration He baptizes every believer into the Body of Christ. He cultivates Christian character, comforts believers, and bestows the spiritual gifts by which they serve God through His church. He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption. His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ. He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism, and service.

Genesis 1:2; Judges 14:6; Job 26:13; Psalms 51:11; 139:7ff.; Isaiah 61:1-3; Joel 2:28-32; Matthew 1:18; 3:16; 4:1; 12:28-32; 28:19; Mark 1:10,12; Luke 1:35; 4:1,18-19; 11:13; 12:12; 24:49; John 4:24; 14:16-17,26; 15:26; 16:7-14; Acts 1:8; 2:1-4,38; 4:31; 5:3; 6:3; 7:55; 8:17,39; 10:44; 13:2; 15:28; 16:6; 19:1-6; Romans 8:9-11,14-16,26-27; 1 Corinthians 2:10-14; 3:16; 12:3-11,13; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30; 5:18; 1 Thessalonians 5:19; 1 Timothy 3:16; 4:1; 2 Timothy 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 9:8,14; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 John 4:13; 5:6-7; Revelation 1:10; 22:17.
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Hello Mittens?!? That is exactly what I quoted to you, and apparetly you still fail to comprehend it as well as the difference in it compared to Mormon doctrine!!! Did you happen to notice, by any chance, what Wikipedia noticed?!? That is that it states that God is ONE BEING!

An English comprehension lesson Mittens:

"...without division of nature, essence, or "BEING" means that their God of their "trinity" is one "being" just as Wikipedia correctly stated!!!!!!!
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Wikipedia is hardly a reliable source no matter who is quoting it.
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Where have you been through all this Albion?! Wikipedia is just one source of quotes that I used although it does refer to at least one notable PHD!
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Got this from Wikipedia and Mormon laughed to me for using them as sourse

Death and legacy

Parley P. Pratt's grave
While returning from a horseback missionary trip to the southern United States in 1857, Pratt was being tracked by Hector McLean. McLean was the legal husband of one of Pratt's plural wives, Eleanor McLean. Pratt had met Eleanor McLean in San Francisco, California, where Pratt was presiding over a church mission. In San Francisco, Eleanor had joined the LDS Church and had also had her oldest sons baptized. Hector rejected Mormonism and opposed his wife's membership in the church. The dispute over the church led to the collapse of the marriage.[3] Fearing that Eleanor would abscond to Utah Territory with their children, Hector sent his sons and his daughter to New Orleans to live with their grandparents.[4] Eleanor followed the children to New Orleans, where she lived with them for three months at her parents' house. Eventually, she and the children left for Utah Territory; she arrived in Salt Lake City on September 11, 1855.[4] Eleanor McLean was employed in Pratt's home as a schoolteacher, and on November 14, 1855, she and Pratt underwent a "celestial marriage" sealing ceremony in the Endowment House.[4] She was the twelfth woman to be sealed to Pratt. Though for religious reasons Eleanor considered herself "unmarried", she was not legally divorced from Hector at the time of her "celestial marriage" to Pratt.[5][6][7]

Didn't Jesus say it was wrong to marry a divorcee ? what about one not even divorced ?

Joseph Smith Jr married, Married women too and was also killed
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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I know you use other sources, gdemetz...I just don't think wiki is a particulalry credible source.
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Albion, I have given you so many credible sources already, not to mention scripture and the Bible, but you prefer the cheap and shallow"Papa Joe" ones since they will agree with your warped interpretation of the Bible!

Mittens is already looking so bad here that she has been inspired to open up another topic in order to ATTACK!!! Unfortunately, once again, she seems very lacking in understanding! No Christian church that I am aware of will deny marriage to a divorced woman, including her church! What hypocrisy! Christ was referring to a higher law, and the perfect way. In the perfect way, there would never be a divorce (except for a very serious offense such as attempted murder, extreme abuse, or adultery, etc., as He mentions.) The perfect higher law is that a woman and man would be virgin when they marry, and remained married forever undefiled. However, we do not live in a perfect world, and that is why the law of Moses was given! The leaders of almost all, if not all of Christendom understand this, even if you don't, Mittens! They will allow a divorced woman to marry again as will the LDS church, and more particularly if it is not the woman's fault.
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