"Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."

[_sleepyhead]

Hello,

What does cfr stand for and is there a particular thing you wanted cfr'ed?

[_gdemetz]

Evangelic goes to hell for 23 minutes?!? How did he get out?! Who ever would believe that evangelic (censored). That sounds like something straight out of the enquirer!

Anyway, Drifting, this "all in the mind stuff" does not account for the "red shoe" incident as well as many other similar cases!

[_Mittens]

Evangelic goes to hell for 23 minutes?!? How did he get out?! Who ever would believe that evangelic (censored). That sounds like something straight out of the enquirer!

Anyway, Drifting, this "all in the mind stuff" does not account for the "red shoe" incident as well as many other similar cases!

You didn't see the video if you don't know

[_jo1952]

Evangelic goes to hell for 23 minutes?!? How did he get out?! Who ever would believe that evangelic (censored). That sounds like something straight out of the enquirer!

Anyway, Drifting, this "all in the mind stuff" does not account for the "red shoe" incident as well as many other similar cases!

I had an OOBE that had nothing to do with being near death. Having experienced one, which was brought on by horrific news being given to me by police, I know they can happen. It seemed like it was only for a brief few seconds. I was able to see the tops of their heads and could see all around the room we were in - but from a different angle. As quickly as I was "aware" of being out of my body (I could see my body still sitting between the officers); just as quickly, it was over. There was no sense of movement; however my spirit was well aware of re-entering my body.

As a result of this, even if we are suffering a great deal of physical pain before our body dies, at the moment of death I do not think that our spirit will experience the pain of physical death.

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

Hello,

What does cfr stand for and is there a particular thing you wanted cfr'ed?

I'd like you to provide references for your assertion about the prevalence of ropes being part of an oobe for thousands of years.

[_sleepyhead]

Hello,

What does cfr stand for and is there a particular thing you wanted cfr'ed?

I'd like you to provide references for your assertion about the prevalence of ropes being part of an oobe for thousands of years.

Hello drifting,

me>>>While it may be the simplest in order for a theory to have legitimacy (in this case that they are hallucinations), it needs to conform to what we know. If a large number of OOBE's involve seeing a rope attached from what I'll call the spirit body, and this description has lasted for thousands of years, is it logical for a halucination to produce this rope? I don't think so.<<<

In wikipedia theres the following statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
>>>Previous collections of cases had been made by Dr Ernesto Bozzano (Italy) and Dr. Robert Crookall (UK). Crookall approached the subject from a spiritualistic position, and collected his cases predominantly from spiritualist newspapers such as the Psychic News, which appears to have biased his results in various ways. For example, the majority of his subjects reported seeing a cord connecting the physical body and its observing counterpart; whereas Green found that less than 4% of her subjects noticed anything of this sort, and some 80% reported feeling they were a "disembodied consciousness", with no external body at all.<<<
Actually I thaught it was greater than 4 % but even 4 % would be large.

In Ecclesiastes 12: 6-7 it says: Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. This would indicate that people believed a rope connected individuals to there spirit bodies back in Solomons day.

[_just me]

Evangelic goes to hell for 23 minutes?!? How did he get out?! Who ever would believe that evangelic (censored). That sounds like something straight out of the enquirer!

Anyway, Drifting, this "all in the mind stuff" does not account for the "red shoe" incident as well as many other similar cases!

I had an OOBE that had nothing to do with being near death. Having experienced one, which was brought on by horrific news being given to me by police, I know they can happen. It seemed like it was only for a brief few seconds. I was able to see the tops of their heads and could see all around the room we were in - but from a different angle. As quickly as I was "aware" of being out of my body (I could see my body still sitting between the officers); just as quickly, it was over. There was no sense of movement; however my spirit was well aware of re-entering my body.

As a result of this, even if we are suffering a great deal of physical pain before our body dies, at the moment of death I do not think that our spirit will experience the pain of physical death.

Blessings,

jo

DId your body die while the spirit was out? How can people be alive without spirits?

[_gdemetz]

Bodily functions can and do still continue during OBE's. Obviously, in death they don't.

[Guest]

Hello drifting,

me>>>While it may be the simplest in order for a theory to have legitimacy (in this case that they are hallucinations), it needs to conform to what we know. If a large number of OOBE's involve seeing a rope attached from what I'll call the spirit body, and this description has lasted for thousands of years, is it logical for a halucination to produce this rope? I don't think so.<<<

In wikipedia theres the following statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
>>>Previous collections of cases had been made by Dr Ernesto Bozzano (Italy) and Dr. Robert Crookall (UK). Crookall approached the subject from a spiritualistic position, and collected his cases predominantly from spiritualist newspapers such as the Psychic News, which appears to have biased his results in various ways. For example, the majority of his subjects reported seeing a cord connecting the physical body and its observing counterpart; whereas Green found that less than 4% of her subjects noticed anything of this sort, and some 80% reported feeling they were a "disembodied consciousness", with no external body at all.<<<
Actually I thaught it was greater than 4 % but even 4 % would be large.

In Ecclesiastes 12: 6-7 it says: Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. This would indicate that people believed a rope connected individuals to there spirit bodies back in Solomons day.

You're joking right?
Less than 4% equates to you as 'a large number'?
" or ever the silver cord be loosed" equates to oobe's experiencing a rope for thousands of years?

Well if it works for you that's great.

[_sleepyhead]

Well if it works for you that's great.

If it doesn't work for you that's also very great.