Themis wrote:It has nothing to do with the possibility of a global flood during Noah's time
a perfect example of moving the goal posts...now, you carefully add the qualifier of "during Noah's time"
Now stop being dishonest. I don't know anyone who does not understand the issue is about Noah's day and the possibility of a Global flood. I didn't add a qualifier since it is implied by everyone I know including you. You are just dodging the issue in a weak attempt to score some kind of point. I even gave you anytime when humans were roaming the earth. I have been more then fair. Your article is not even about a flood, but a time way before humans, when the earth had little light continental crust so more of the earth was covered by water then today. It is not a flood event and the possibility might be higher but still astronomically low. Again I don't look out at the ocean and say "Wow that's a big flood".
subgenius wrote: Please, provide the "time frame as presented in the Bible" for the flood. (emphasis mine)
Why don't you state when you think it happened? I somewhat confident you wont even give a time frame. I think steelhead, like myself, will even give you anytime humans were roaming the earth.
SteelHead wrote:Sub, Go into all the philosophical sophistry you want about paradigms, observations, and reality. You are a figment of your own imagination.
It makes no stronger case for a global flood 5k years ago, without the intervention of an omnipotent god, who changes the evidence after the fact.
Abandoning the context of the narrative is moving the goalposts.
This is always where subby goes when his arguments are clearly not working. You can't know anything, nothing is real(except his spiritual experiences:))
SteelHead wrote:Sub, Go into all the philosophical sophistry you want about paradigms, observations, and reality. You are a figment of your own imagination.
It makes no stronger case for a global flood 5k years ago, without the intervention of an omnipotent god, who changes the evidence after the fact.
Abandoning the context of the narrative is moving the goalposts.
This is always where subby goes when his arguments are clearly not working. You can't know anything, nothing is real(except his spiritual experiences:))
actually, i think i have been pretty clear, and specific, that it is not a notion of "one can not really know anything" but rather a direct statement of how you, yourself, actually know very little....with regards to the topic at hand - whether from a scriptural or scientific perspective. ironically you appear as the proverbial fish trying to climb a tree
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote: Please, provide the "time frame as presented in the Bible" for the flood. (emphasis mine)
Why don't you state when you think it happened? I somewhat confident you wont even give a time frame. I think steelhead, like myself, will even give you anytime humans were roaming the earth.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
actually, i think i have been pretty clear, and specific, that it is not a notion of "one can not really know anything" but rather a direct statement of how you, yourself, actually know very little....with regards to the topic at hand - whether from a scriptural or scientific perspective. ironically you appear as the proverbial fish trying to climb a tree
You can assert all you want without backing it up, but that's all it is. You were the one to misrepresent these Australians scientists. Were you being dishonest or do you not really understand what they are talking about. Since you now admit ~5000 years ago for Noah's flood why not deal with that and not a time 2.5 billion years ago when not even animals had evolved yet. This has always been the issue here, not your dishonest or ignorant distractions.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote:many of you that can not seem to grasp the flood's authenticity seem to have trouble grasping other things..... ....so...in an effort to assist
Get back to us when you can provide anything useful to the discussion. I have explained why your misrepresentation of these scientists does not work to support your idea of a global flood 5k years ago. Time to put up or shut up.
SteelHead wrote:Authenticity? Which was that sub? The it is true because the Bible says so?
We all have to believe in something. I do believe in the Bible as an accurate description of the past. And I also believe it contains projections into the future.
What I would like to know is what do you believe in? Do you believe in the scientific story of the past? But if you do believe that science uses all data to fine tune the theories you would be wrong. There are many examples of data that don't fit the accepted line of thinking. Here are some examples.
People are always saying that the Bible has problems. When viewed in some light it may appear that way. But in science where I am told absolute truth exist I find more holes than those declared in the Bible. It may be that man has a hard time finding any absolute truth no matter where he looks. Now the real question should be is the Bible inspired? If indeed it is outside of man then it should not suffer the same weaknesses of man.