Moon and Sun inhabitants 3 sourses

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I think an Apostle's view Trump's yours bc...


Drifting, how do you know that bcspace is not an Apostle anonymously posting here using that username? :wink:
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

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moksha wrote:
bcspace wrote: Just because a man is a prophet doesn't mean his every thought is guided by the Lord.


Well said.

So exactly how does one know the difference?
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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:They were speaking as men, not prophets, even thought BY said everything he said from the pulpit was scripture, it wasn't, he was speaking as a man when he said that and I've used way too many commas.

What a confusing religion. I am now often told that the things that I was taught by my parents, primary, priesthood and seminary teachers, and things written by GA's were incorrect, speculation, or just plain never taught by the church. Wow, just wow. Then they try to tell me that God is not the author of confusion.

Really?

Did you ever imagine that God has nothing to do with the non-biblical beliefs, scripture and prophets of the Mormon organization.
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Did you ever imagine that god had nothing to with either; Mormonism nor biblical religions?
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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LittleNipper wrote:
bcspace wrote: Just because a man is a prophet doesn't mean his every thought is guided by the Lord.



So exactly how does one know the difference?


Fairly simple. If he is alive he is being guided by the Lord, once he is dead, most of what he said turns out to be his own thoughts. See the difference?
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Mittens wrote:Brigham Young, second LDS Prophet, said, "Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the Moon?... When you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question about it; it was not made in vain" (J. of D., Vol. XIII, p. 271). Young also said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture" (Ibid., p. 95). This "scripture" about men on the moon as well as the sun by Brigham Young ought to raise eyebrows about Brigham Young's inspired messages.

Oliver B. Huntington, a devout LDS contemporary of Joseph Smith, said that Smith taught, "The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being six feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally; near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph (Smith) the Seer, and he could see whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see" (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, Vol. II, p. 166). That is not what the astronauts found when they went to the moon!

In Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 88-89 Joseph Fielding Smith said under Earth to be Celestial Sun, It is my opinion that the great stars that we see, including our sun, are celestial worlds; at least worlds that have passed on to their exaltation or other final resurrected status. This is in conflict, of course, with the teachings of scientific men, who declare that the sun is losing its energy and gradually cooling off and will eventually be a dead world....And this world, so benighted at present, and so esteemed by infidels, as observed by Brother Clements, when it becomes celestialized, it wil be like the sun, and be prepared for the habitation of the saints, and be brought back into the presence of the Father and the son.

Why depending on Jesus as Prophet, High Priest and Apostle is better choice, Jesus don't teach error and we can speak to him everyday

The Epistle to the
Hebrews
Hebrews 1
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son
, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;


Hebrews 3
Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,


sourses? (spelling -1, see me after class)

"Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency...and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles...counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted."

You forgot to mention Hyrum Smith as well...and the majority of the living populace and scientific community of that day...
Aside from the obvious belief in moon/sun being a quite common occurrence in that time period (LDS or not) these quotes really reflect the fallibility of science more than religion...and perhaps accentuate the fine line between the temporal influences and the spiritual....and yes, of course, no man is perfect.....BUT
what is this silly logic of "this is why Jesus was never wrong"? "never taught in error"?....are we sure about that?
First we see Luke 2 paraded around as proof that Jesus was "growing in wisdom"...however, this is qualified (and contradicted) by claiming that this "growth" must have been error-free and without Jesus ever being "wrong"...because we all know that is how people "grow"...ehem.

Jesus certainly made an error when He told Caiphas that Caiphas would live to see His second-coming
....especially since Matthew clearly tells us that Christ will not even return in human form....hmmmm

Mark 13 also sees Jesus make an error about the end of the world...

But yes, Jesus's teachings are without flaw, are they not? ...simply because prophecy about the end of the world is not really "teaching"...nor is a statement about life on the sun.
So we have yet another classic example of no-logic-meets-bad-spelling-and-promotes-incoherence by Mittens.
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LittleNipper wrote:So exactly how does one know the difference?


Fairly simple, really...here is an easy explanation of how. (not a long read either)
Doctrine and Covenants 50

other helpful information for distinguishing - a very short read
Doctrine and Covenants 129

I would also highly recommend that you read and ponder James chapter 1.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
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Please chapter and verse of Jesus' errors
Justice = Getting what you deserve
Mercy = Not getting what you deserve
Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
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Mittens wrote:Please chapter and verse of Jesus' errors

Matthew 23:36
Matthew 26:64 & Mark 14:62
Matthew 24:29-35
Revelations 1:1-3
Revelations 3:11, 22:7
Mark 9:1
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
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Matt 23:
36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Many people standing there saw the destruction of the Temple in Jersalem 70AD

Matt 26:64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Many will see, either from the graves or coming with Jesus

Mark 14:62Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Many will see, either from the graves or coming with Jesus

Mark 9
1 And He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power.”

It's obvious you have no decernment with Scripture since nany people seen The Gospel Age come into being, The Church Age.

Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,
2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Didn't God say a thousand years is a day to God ?
Justice = Getting what you deserve
Mercy = Not getting what you deserve
Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
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