Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[Lem]

This from the web archive Doc posted:

There is literally zero truth to the allegations that I have ever harassed or assaulted anyone. Ever. Not once. These are rumors.....

That is not true, in my opinion, based on his documented texts and his alone, and on his position at the time within the OSfoundation. Rosebud is at fault for much, but that does not excuse his choices and his behavior, which were the definition of harassment at work. I find his arrogance regarding this situation incredibly distasteful.

[drumdude]

Wow, that Dehlin statement is a little rocky. I can see why he shortened it. The part about his daughters being sexually assaulted was completely unnecessary and irrelevant. It's the "I can't be a racist, some of my best friends are black" trope. Not to mention publicly revealing something I'm sure his daughters wouldn't want made public.

[Jersey Girl]

Jersey Girl’s hot take with regard to #3 is excellent. Check out JD’s original statement regarding the latest round of nonsense:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210425154 ... legations/

Now that the person behind Rosebud is actually making false allegations against me using her real name, and now that folks have told me that they intend to cover the story in a public way, the facts are being forced out, which I’m actually relieved about.

Interesting. He still cares for this psychopath.

Anyway. He cleaned up this statement to a rather curt version here:

https://np.reddit.com/r/exmormon/commen ... legations/

One of his wranglers must’ve talked to him. Lol.

- Doc

He better hope to hell that he's not violating her rights when he does that. Surely he has an attorney in tow. As to your comment about his caring for her. I don't think anyone wants to see another human being harm themselves and he clearly knows her potential to do that given her history as he has stated if it is indeed, true.

When I read the text messages I had the impression that he was essentially telling her "It's not you, it's me" because he feared her reaction. Having read the above, I might not have been so off the mark with that.

This is bad. Really bad.

[Jersey Girl]

Wow, that Dehlin statement is a little rocky. I can see why he shortened it.

That's why I stated in my post prior that he better hope he's not about to violate Rosebud's rights because he sure as hell violated his own daughter's rights with that. In writing no less. There's something off about him. I'd like to take a stab at it but I don't think it would do at this point.

[Jersey Girl]

Oh god, I'll just do it. He's violating his own daughter's rights to privacy to legitimize/shore up his claims of innocence/save his own ass. He's a therapist to some degree is he not? Where are his boundaries?

[drumdude]

He always chalks it up to the "I was raised a Mormon and I'm a white privileged guy, I acknowledge my privilege and my mistakes and try to be super aware blah blah blah"

At the end of the day no matter how much training and awareness he tries to learn, he can't change the fact that he's the type of man to cheat on his wife. To call Kwaku a bad black person for being a Mormon. To tell the world about his daughter's sexual abuse to make himself look better.

[Jersey Girl]

He always chalks it up to the "I was raised a Mormon and I'm a white privileged guy, I acknowledge my privilege and my mistakes and try to be super aware blah blah blah"

At the end of the day no matter how much training and awareness he tries to learn, he can't change the fact that he's the type of man to cheat on his wife. To call Kwaku a bad black person for being a Mormon. To tell the world about his daughter's sexual abuse to make himself look better.

He's as self destructive as he claims she is.

[Res Ipsa]

I’m not sure that employers are ever required to have written policies. I think it’s just a really really really good idea.

As far as I can tell, none of the relevant discrimination or harassment laws applied because the foundation had fewer than 15 employees.

I think you misunderstood what I asked or my post was sloppily worded. In most states that I'm aware of a 501c3 requires a board of directors, description of board positions/officers (ED, secretary, treasurer) and term limits of each position, by laws and if I am not mistaken, operating policies of the organization. Now. I have only run a 501c3 that was created before my arrival. In the case of Open Stories Foundation, the rules could be different since it was probably categorized as a charitable foundation. I really don't know and my brain is fried having read all 39 pages of this thread.

501(c)(3) is a status under federal tax laws that can be granted to entities that are organized under state laws, most commonly corporations. IRS makes recommendations to these organizations regarding written policies (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/govern ... ctices.pdf) but does not require them.

In general, corporations are required by state law to have by-laws. I’ve never heard of a state requirement that a corporation have written policies.

According to its 990s, Open Stories Foundation is a public charity, not a private or operating foundation (despite the name).

I referred to “employers” in my response because we were talking about employment policies. It probably would have been clearer to say “corporations,” as that’s how Open Stories Foundation is organized.

ETA: Referring to one of your earlier comments, I don’t see evidence that Dehlin misused the Foundation. It’s legal for insiders to be paid a salary, as long as it isn’t excessive for the services performed. What it can’t do is pay any net income to an insider. He simply was sloppy in describing how he was receiving money from the Foundation. He appears pretty transparent about how he planned to spend the amounts he was paid as salary.

[consiglieri]

Welp. Someone else is taking the opportunity to dunk on jpatterson:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... nts_being/

So. Many. Sockpuppets. Not a good look for JP & Rosebud.

- Doc

Great minds!!!

[Kishkumen]

Oh god, I'll just do it. He's violating his own daughter's rights to privacy to legitimize/shore up his claims of innocence/save his own ass. He's a therapist to some degree is he not? Where are his boundaries?

Yes.

That was ghastly.

You have said a lot of things that are dead on with regard to JD and Rosebud. You should check out her Facebook page if you have not already. It is an absolute train wreck.

So many posts deal with John Dehlin. Your statement about her remaining in the relationship by hook or crook all these years is exactly right. She blames him for all kinds of stuff. In her mind, her life continues to go wrong because of what Dehlin did to her, including her own personal business decisions post Open Stories Foundation.

These posts get about as much response as my reposts of news and trivia on my Facebook page.

Jersey Girl is so right about there being something off about Dehlin and his actions. Haven’t most of us who have listened to MoSto for hours caught this? The things he says that make you cringe? The podcast has so many great interviews and at times co-hosts (consiglieri) that I doubt I’ll ever stop listening to the occasional episode, but there is something up there with John that makes me uncomfortable.

That post he later edited in which he is talking about Rosebud’s state of mind and his daughters is a disaster. No wonder James Patterson and people like him get infuriated with this guy and turn on him!

I would also recommend that we redact any references to John’s claims about her state of mind in that post and also discontinue or edit any use of her name on this board. I can tell you that we do NOT want her attacking the board over this stuff. It is just not worth it. If she is capable of spending a decade of her life going after Dehlin for the reasons she stated, there is no telling what else she might do. Go read her Facebook page, and you will see that she takes revenge very seriously, and not just with regard to JD.