Fulfilled Prophecy?

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

You were disputing me when I stated that Elohim was a plural term for God!

Yes I do dispute that it is a plural term for God, as in the God of Abraham. I provided information from people actually familiar with Hebrew and the Tanach. You have yet to provide something that proves otherwise.

[_gdemetz]

"Yes, I do dispute that it is a plural term for God."

"The word Elohim is the plural for El )or possibly Eloah)." "Elohei Ma'uzzi - the God of Gods" Hebrew for Christians

"Elohim is a plural word, which is peculiar since God is one" {according to their false belief} Meaning and Etymology of the Hebrew name Elohim

"The form Elohim is a plural form..." Names of God, an early discussion by Saint Jerome

"Elohim comes from the Hebrew root meaning strength or power, and has the unusual characteristic of being plural in form" {unusual to their false doctrine minds}. All About God

"In the Old Testament, God is translated as Elohim from Hebrew. THE DIRECT TRANSLATION IS PLURAL, MEANING GODS." Catholic Answers {believe it or not!}

I can go on all day like this, but I am hoping that it will finally sink in!!!

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

"Yes, I do dispute that it is a plural term for God."

"The word Elohim is the plural for El )or possibly Eloah)." "Elohei Ma'uzzi - the God of Gods" Hebrew for Christians

"Elohim is a plural word, which is peculiar since God is one" {according to their false belief} Meaning and Etymology of the Hebrew name Elohim

"The form Elohim is a plural form..." Names of God, an early discussion by Saint Jerome

"Elohim comes from the Hebrew root meaning strength or power, and has the unusual characteristic of being plural in form" {unusual to their false doctrine minds}. All About God

"In the Old Testament, God is translated as Elohim from Hebrew. THE DIRECT TRANSLATION IS PLURAL, MEANING GODS." Catholic Answers {believe it or not!}

I can go on all day like this, but I am hoping that it will finally sink in!!!

So you're going back to insisting that Elohim isn't singular?

Random quotations with no cites?

Please, continue all day if you like. You haven't provided one source that backs you up. Google "Catholic Encyclopedia" and you get many lnks that don't match up.

Provide direct links like I did.

You have yet to provide one direct link, not a quote taken out of context, that disputes what I have been saying.

Notice that not one other Mormon has come to your defense.

You lost. Give it up.

[_jo1952]

Notice that not one other Mormon has come to your defense.

You lost. Give it up.

Just wondering if you meant your signature to be representative of what you believe? Or is it one you present in jest?

As soon as you concern yourself with the 'good' and 'bad' of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. Testing, competing with, and criticizing others weaken and defeat you. - O'Sensei

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

Notice that not one other Mormon has come to your defense.

CFR that gdemetz is Mormon!

[_LittleNipper]

Not sure what you are getting at. Moses prophesied about Assyria taking away the northern tribes of Israel. So what. Are you saying there is some kind of moral approval going on here? If indeed this did happen as you say then the attitude of the people involved was predicted. All this points out is the Holy Ghost was working in the blessing and a future event was in the vision. Is there a point to your post?

The purpose of a question is to get an answer (not to make a point.)

I was wondering whether the sources quoted here are reliable, and whether these patriarchal blessings were actually given when indicated (or whether they could be post-dated somehow?)

As to the point of whether these blessings imply any Divine approval (which you raised here), the words "called to act at the head of a portion of thy Brethren and of the Lamanites in the redemption of Zion and the avenging of the blood of the prophets upon them that dwell on the earth," and "avenging the blood of Brother Joseph" do seem to suggest that.

Why do I find it outrageous that there's even a a hint of a suggestion in the originating post that there was somehow a godly purpose in this mass murder of innocents?

Maybe it's because you're politically correct, and haven't thought it through.

Have you considered these questions?

1.) Were any children under the age of accountability killed?

2.) As the giver of life, isn't it God's prerogative to take it when and how He chooses?

3.) Isn't it possible that the adults were a part of the mob that killed Joseph and Hyram?

4.) Didn't God say something somewhere (in D&C, I believe) about holding them accountable for their blood unto the third or fourth generation unless they repented?

Whatever your thoughts and opinions on these side issues (and the side issue of Divine approval), all I'm really interested in here is whether the patriarchal blessings cited in the Wikipedia article are genuine.

Thank you.

I believe you are mixing the Old Testament with the New Testament. God holds people accountable and doesn't tell man to take things into their own hands. And today we are in the Age of Grace. Random acts of violence never correct anything and God doesn't work that way...

[_gdemetz]

Nipper, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. His judgements are based on the conditions and actions of man. Christ's atonement, or "grace" had just as much effect before it was made as it does after!

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

Notice that not one other Mormon has come to your defense.

You lost. Give it up.

Just wondering if you meant your signature to be representative of what you believe? Or is it one you present in jest?

As soon as you concern yourself with the 'good' and 'bad' of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. Testing, competing with, and criticizing others weaken and defeat you. - O'Sensei

Blessings,

jo

Yes, I believe it.

Aikido is my religion and the man that made that statement was the founder of Aikido.

I think he believed it too, and yet he still engaged other martial artists in debate and in demonstrations of his skill. He always kept a benevolent spirit when doing so and I try to do the same. That's why I use the quote. It is something meant to temper my responses.

I fail at it sometimes, and I bet he did too.

It is an ideal to live up to, but ideals are seldom lived up to in our imperfect world.

[_jo1952]

Yes, I believe it.

Aikido is my religion and the man that made that statement was the founder of Aikido.

I think he believed it too, and yet he still engaged other martial artists in debate and in demonstrations of his skill. He always kept a benevolent spirit when doing so and I try to do the same. That's why I use the quote. It is something meant to temper my responses.

I fail at it sometimes, and I bet he did too.

It is an ideal to live up to, but ideals are seldom lived up to in our imperfect world.

Thank you for responding to me. Is there a good website you can direct me to where I can learn about your beliefs? I have not heard of Aikido before. I would rather not go to a site that does not present your beliefs properly. There is a lot of that going on.

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

Nipper, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. His judgements are based on the conditions and actions of man. Christ's atonement, or "grace" had just as much effect before it was made as it does after!

I thought God was once a man who is still progressing.
Why, you yourself told us that God was still learning and creating.

In terms of His judgements being based on the 'conditions and actions of man'. How does that apply to those children and infants that died when God flooded the earth?