Gunnar wrote:{Faith} must always be tempered by and subordinate to good evidence and sound reason.
yet, the facts clearly show that human's best moments, best progress, and best acts have always come form being insubordinate to and not tempered by "good evidence and sound reason".
Einstein is also quoted as saying the following: -"To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination" (emphasis mine) -"Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions" -"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
Now given what you propose above that the Bible is..."the work of imaginative" it would seem that the good evidence and sound reason should be subordinate to faith....according to your own statements.
So your testimony is based on imagination rather than knowledge, got it.
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Drifting wrote:So your testimony is based on imagination rather than knowledge, got it.
no, as usual, you don't "got it"
Gunnar's own reasoning claims: -the Bible is a work of the imagination -Einstein has authority to validate an argument -the juxtaposition of imagination and evidence/reason requires a hierarchical resolution in our life
i never said anything about the basis for "my" testimony....but thanks for using your imagination
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Drifting wrote:So your testimony is based on imagination rather than knowledge, got it.
no, as usual, you don't "got it"
Gunnar's own reasoning claims: -the Bible is a work of the imagination -Einstein has authority to validate an argument -the juxtaposition of imagination and evidence/reason requires a hierarchical resolution in our life
i never said anything about the basis for "my" testimony....but thanks for using your imagination
This dicusses Ron Wyatt's claims about the remains of Egyptian soldiers and chariot wheels found in the Gulf of Aqaba. As pointed out in the article, even some of Wyatt's fellow Christians find his claims to be of questionable veracity--or a product of his own confirmation bias. At first, his wife who dived in the the Red Sea there, thought everything she saw was a chariot wheel!
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No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
This dicusses Ron Wyatt's claims about the remains of Egyptian soldiers and chariot wheels found in the Gulf of Aqaba. As pointed out in the article, even some of Wyatt's fellow Christians find his claims to be of questionable veracity--or a product of his confirmation bias. At first, his wife who dived in the the Red Sea there thought everything she saw was a chariot wheel!
It is interesting that the Egyptians are keeping everyone out of the area. My feeling is that there is something there; however, it is not going to be an easy thing to fully investigate. And most people really do not care to find the truth, they feel safer without it. They think the dark is a good excuse.
LittleNipper wrote:What I mean is that Jesus didn't suggest that any part of the Holy Scriptures were corrupted, while he taught the disciples.
How would you know what Jesus really said. How do you know the New Testament actually represents Jesus's words accurately or at all? You seem to be just making assumptions based on what you think man has said about the accuracy of the Biblical record.
LittleNipper wrote:It is interesting that the Egyptians are keeping everyone out of the area. My feeling is that there is something there; however, it is not going to be an easy thing to fully investigate. And most people really do not care to find the truth, they feel safer without it. They think the dark is a good excuse.
In the last few centuries or so, Egypt has been victimized by tourists, treasure seekers, archaeologists, etc. stealing many of their most precious cultural artifacts and removing them to their own countries for display in foreign museums and private collections all over the world. The Egyptians are understandably very sensitive about any unauthorized looking for artifacts of potential cultural and historical value. I can't really blame them for that. Can you? There is probably not anything sinister about them choosing to protect that site. Besides that, Modern Egypt is a Muslim country. Muslims also accept and respect much of the Judeo/Christian Old Testament, and at least some of the Koran is based on it. They revere stories about the Wisdom of Solomon, for example, almost as much as Jews and Christians do. And they certainly revere Father Abraham as much as any Jew or Christian does.
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No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison