Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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LittleNipper wrote:
Bond James Bond wrote:Question for the Great Flooders:

How did they feed all the animals on the Ark?

Some may have eaten insects. Some likely hybernated. Some many not have wanted to eat much. Also one might question kinds. Clearly, there are many animals which are not really a species to themselves. I believe many like animals share the same ancestors and envirornmental issues over a few thousand years has allowed designed varieties to abound. Simply look at man: Light, Dark, Tall Short, Fat, Skinny, Smart, Ignorant, Hairy, Bald, Muscular, Weak, Handsome, Ugly , number of toes and fingers ----- Then one can consider hair color, facial features, etc... Every finch is not its own species. This can be said of cats, dogs, cattle, sheep...


Alright well let's consider one animal like the African Elephant. The African Elephant eats 220-440 lbs per day, so let's say for the pair of African Elephants 600 lbs of food per day.

http://www.african-elephant.org/faq/ele ... dingHabits

And let's say a bale of hay weights around 60 lbs, so they're eating 10 bales of hay per day. Let's also assume a bale is 3 ft x 2 ft x 2ft and takes up 12 cubic feet of space. That's for later.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... _hay_weigh

Now the ark was 300 cubits long by 50 wide by 30 high so (assuming a cubit to be 1.8 ft, if you want to assume less then the cubic footage shrinks and my argument grows stronger):

300(1.8) x 50(1.8) x 30 (1.8)
540X 90X54
2,624,400 cubic feet of space (let's ignore where the Ark's human population might have lived) assuming the Ark could have been a true rectangular prism shape rather than a more traditional shape which would have decreased cubic area even further.

12 bales of hay by 12 cubic feet equals 120 cubic feet of hay per day for 1 year or 365 days: 365 X 120

43,800 cubic feet for one years worth of food. Or a little less than 2% of the available cubic area of the Ark for the minimum food for one species. One. How many animals until we use up all the space? Probably 100 large herbivores? What about the living space for Noah's family? It strains credibility quickly.
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I wonder who had poop duty.
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just me wrote:I wonder who had poop duty.


We should get some like nipper jobs at the Zoo scooping poop, and that is only a fraction of the animals that would need to be on the ark.
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Themis wrote:
just me wrote:I wonder who had poop duty.


We should get some like nipper jobs at the Zoo scooping poop, and that is only a fraction of the animals that would need to be on the ark.


Can you imagine the ammonia stench of that boat? OMG!

On another note...Where did they store all the fresh water?
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just me wrote:Can you imagine the ammonia stench of that boat? OMG!

On another note...Where did they store all the fresh water?


The problems are so obvious, and so many, that one has to be biased to a point I am not sure if anything will allow them to see the truth.
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just me wrote:I wonder who had poop duty.


I'm going to assume Noah's wife Emzara was in charge of fertilizing the ocean but with so many herbivores I bet that everyone was on --it detail. (It takes a team of vets and caretakers to care for a few animals at a zoo...eight untrained people caring for millions of reptiles, amphibians, mammals, birds, and everything else under the sun including Droopy's primate ancestors? Those were hardcore Hebrews.)

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LittleNipper wrote:
Bond James Bond wrote:Question for the Great Flooders:

How did they feed all the animals on the Ark?

Some may have eaten insects. Some likely hybernated. Some many not have wanted to eat much. Also one might question kinds. Clearly, there are many animals which are not really a species to themselves. I believe many like animals share the same ancestors and envirornmental issues over a few thousand years has allowed designed varieties to abound. Simply look at man: Light, Dark, Tall Short, Fat, Skinny, Smart, Ignorant, Hairy, Bald, Muscular, Weak, Handsome, Ugly , number of toes and fingers ----- Then one can consider hair color, facial features, etc... Every finch is not its own species. This can be said of cats, dogs, cattle, sheep...


Elephants perhaps...?

Elephants are herbivores and spend up to 16 hours a day eating plants. Their diets are highly variable, both seasonally and across habitats and regions. Elephants are primarily browsers, feeding on the leaves, bark and fruits of trees and shrubs, but they may also eat considerable amounts of grasses and herbs. As is true for other nonruminant ungulates, elephants only digest approximately 40% of what they eat. They make up for their digestive systems' lack of efficiency in volume. An adult elephant consumes 140–270 kg (300–600 lb) of food a day.


Keep in mind that the Elephants on the ark would have needed the full time personal attention of two people to feed them, to water them, to clear out the poop etc. That's 25% of the people on the ark required to tend to just a single species for the duration.
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Anyway you quantity surveyors and physics majors, you doctors and lawyers are all just under the control of Satan, you doubt God.
you have lost your faith to logic and so God can no longer work in you.
the Bible is TRUE DARN YOU!!!

-I am a Mormon! and Mormons just believe!!!

Wow,
How can main stream religion not believe in evil'lution?
when quite clearly only a few 100 animals were saved on the ark, so since then and now, all the worlds millions of discovered species must have evolved, from the few that Noah had on the Ark.
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PrickKicker wrote:Anyway you quantity surveyors and physics majors, you doctors and lawyers are all just under the control of Satan, you doubt God.
you have lost your faith to logic and so God can no longer work in you.
the Bible is TRUE DARN YOU!!!

-I am a Mormon! and Mormons just believe!!!

Wow,
How can main stream religion not believe in evil'lution?
when quite clearly only a few 100 animals were saved on the ark, so since then and now, all the worlds millions of discovered species must have evolved, from the few that Noah had on the Ark.


You forget to mention the timescale...this evolution from the ark animals has taken place in the last four thousand years...
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Bond James Bond wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
Some may have eaten insects. Some likely hybernated. Some many not have wanted to eat much. Also one might question kinds. Clearly, there are many animals which are not really a species to themselves. I believe many like animals share the same ancestors and envirornmental issues over a few thousand years has allowed designed varieties to abound. Simply look at man: Light, Dark, Tall Short, Fat, Skinny, Smart, Ignorant, Hairy, Bald, Muscular, Weak, Handsome, Ugly , number of toes and fingers ----- Then one can consider hair color, facial features, etc... Every finch is not its own species. This can be said of cats, dogs, cattle, sheep...


all right well let's consider one animal like the African Elephant. The African Elephant eats 220-440 lbs per day, so let's say for the pair of African Elephants 600 lbs of food per day.

http://www.african-elephant.org/faq/ele ... dingHabits

And let's say a bale of hay weights around 60 lbs, so they're eating 10 bales of hay per day. Let's also assume a bale is 3 ft x 2 ft x 2ft and takes up 12 cubic feet of space. That's for later.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... _hay_weigh

Now the ark was 300 cubits long by 50 wide by 30 high so (assuming a cubit to be 1.8 ft, if you want to assume less then the cubic footage shrinks and my argument grows stronger):

300(1.8) x 50(1.8) x 30 (1.8)
540X 90X54
2,624,400 cubic feet of space (let's ignore where the Ark's human population might have lived) assuming the Ark could have been a true rectangular prism shape rather than a more traditional shape which would have decreased cubic area even further.

12 bales of hay by 12 cubic feet equals 120 cubic feet of hay per day for 1 year or 365 days: 365 X 120

43,800 cubic feet for one years worth of food. Or a little less than 2% of the available cubic area of the Ark for the minimum food for one species. One. How many animals until we use up all the space? Probably 100 large herbivores? What about the living space for Noah's family? It strains credibility quickly.

What does a weaned baby elephant eat in a day?
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