Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

[_Drifting]

How much poop does a dung beetle eat? Could God have slowed the metabolism of the various animals on the ark? The insects could eat poop and the animals could eat the insects.

That's right....God did it by magic...

[_malkie]

How much poop does a dung beetle eat? Could God have slowed the metabolism of the various animals on the ark? The insects could eat poop and the animals could eat the insects.

That's right....God did it by magic...

It's amazing!

All you need to say is "God could have ...", and all of the problems go away.

Really, I don't know why the defenders bother with any other "argument" when, in the end, this is what it all boils down to, this is the Trump card.

[_Drifting]

It's amazing!

All you need to say is "God could have ...", and all of the problems go away.

Really, I don't know why the defenders bother with any other "argument" when, in the end, this is what it all boils down to, this is the Trump card.

However, if this Trump card is played it makes it embarrassingly impossible to explain why a merciful, caring, loving magical God doesn't use magic to prevent; famine, child abuse etc. If God can do magic then He could certainly prevent these things. What kind of a magical God would choose to let His little children suffer these kinds of horrors?

And if we are speaking about the flood specifically - you are left with God using magic to make sure the animals didn't die but not using magic to save the infants and innocents of the world from drowning.

[_subgenius]

How much poop does a dung beetle eat? Could God have slowed the metabolism of the various animals on the ark? The insects could eat poop and the animals could eat the insects.

That's right....God did it by magic...

why is it so difficult to comprehend that simple concept....are you stating that you do not think magic is super cool?
Would you be more satisfied if God did it by Erlenmeyer flask and Bunsen burner?

Besides, if one accepts that God made the flood occur then surely He accommodated the logistics of having the animals on the ark, maybe everyone took a nap? If He is powerful enough to flood the earth then poop disposal ain't nothing but a thang.

[_subgenius]

It's amazing!

All you need to say is "God could have ...", and all of the problems go away.

Really, I don't know why the defenders bother with any other "argument" when, in the end, this is what it all boils down to, this is the Trump card.

yes, who would guess that people who believe in God would also have faith in God....thanks for cracking this mystery wide open....i suppose you also know where Jimmy Hoffa is buried?
If only religious people would rely on science for their Biblical experience....i mean science led to such innovations as playing Farmville on Facebook, so why wouldn't we hand over our spiritual and moral lives over to that paradigm?

[_subgenius]

However, if this Trump card is played it makes it embarrassingly impossible to explain why a merciful, caring, loving magical God doesn't use magic to prevent; famine, child abuse etc. If God can do magic then He could certainly prevent these things. What kind of a magical God would choose to let His little children suffer these kinds of horrors?

And if we are speaking about the flood specifically - you are left with God using magic to make sure the animals didn't die but not using magic to save the infants and innocents of the world from drowning.

People with little understanding of God always want to cry out that "God lets babies go hungry" or "God does not let me own a Ferrari"....in other words they always consider their own priority, their own interest, and their own "the way things should be" occupy their every thought, their every concept.
"I can't understand it so it must not be true" is the mantra of those who, for whatever reason, were never able to stomach the milk and now have so much indigestion trying to eat meat......and so the rest of us get to read their belching.

[_Drifting]

However, if this Trump card is played it makes it embarrassingly impossible to explain why a merciful, caring, loving magical God doesn't use magic to prevent; famine, child abuse etc. If God can do magic then He could certainly prevent these things. What kind of a magical God would choose to let His little children suffer these kinds of horrors?

And if we are speaking about the flood specifically - you are left with God using magic to make sure the animals didn't die but not using magic to save the infants and innocents of the world from drowning.

People with little understanding of God always want to cry out that "God lets babies go hungry" or "God does not let me own a Ferrari"....in other words they always consider their own priority, their own interest, and their own "the way things should be" occupy their every thought, their every concept.
"I can't understand it so it must not be true" is the mantra of those who, for whatever reason, were never able to stomach the milk and now have so much indigestion trying to eat meat......and so the rest of us get to read their belching.

Nice rant.

However, if you accept God could 'magic' away the scientific challenges of the flood story then you have to accept He could prevent those ills of which we speak. You have to accept He chooses not to.

P.S. What year do you think the flood happened?

[_Themis]

why is it so difficult to comprehend that simple concept....are you stating that you do not think magic is super cool?
Would you be more satisfied if God did it by Erlenmeyer flask and Bunsen burner?

Besides, if one accepts that God made the flood occur then surely He accommodated the logistics of having the animals on the ark, maybe everyone took a nap? If He is powerful enough to flood the earth then poop disposal ain't nothing but a thang.

The problem is why would God hide the evidence of a flood? Why would God kill everyone only to bring them all back alive?

[_subgenius]

Nice rant.

However, if you accept God could 'magic' away the scientific challenges of the flood story then you have to accept He could prevent those ills of which we speak. You have to accept He chooses not to.

your premise is not true. your logical fallacy is
However, there is some validity in the notion that God may or may not have the ability to "prevent ills", more likely it would be appropriate to think that He may "alleviate ills" but never the less, it is likely that He has that ability.
But, there is no reason to conclude that He chooses not to, especially since I have stated before that God is bound by Laws as well, that is to say, God is not always in a position to even make some choices.
This is why i often question what particular view, if any, of God you may have - often it seems to be just cursory or blatantly wrong.

P.S. What year do you think the flood happened?

What do you mean?

[_Drifting]

I have stated before that God is bound by Laws as well, that is to say, God is not always in a position to even make some choices.

Doesn't seem to be the case when considering what the Bible explains the flood.
As Nipper stated, the only answer to counter the scientific and historic record is 'Magic Dunnit'.
And if magic dunnit then magic could save children - but it never does...

P.S. What year do you think the flood happened?

What do you mean?[/quote]

I mean - What year do you think the flood happened?