Adam Is Our God, Brigham Young, General Conf., April 1852

[_afterallwecando]

And besides all that, the JoD is not a doctrinal work........

Who said anything about Doctrine? This is simply a talk given over the pulpit in General Conference by a revered prophet of God. I think we should listen to what he has to say. He is the mouthpiece of God.

[Guest]

That BY may have taught that the Adam who fell is God the Father was disproved long ago. Not only by the more accurate Adam Sr Adam Jr hypothesis but by the doctrines BY believed and taught as well precluding such a notion not to mention his distinct separation of God the Father and the Adam who fell elsewhere in the JoD.

And besides all that, the JoD is not a doctrinal work........

And yet the JoD is quoted extensively by the Prophets, Seers, Revelators, Teaching Manuals and Official Websites of the Church today.

[_PrickKicker]

That BY may have taught that the Adam who fell is God the Father was disproved long ago. Not only by the more accurate Adam Sr Adam Jr hypothesis but by the doctrines BY believed and taught as well precluding such a notion not to mention his distinct separation of God the Father and the Adam who fell elsewhere in the JoD.

And besides all that, the JoD is not a doctrinal work........

And yet the JoD is quoted by the Prophets, Seers, Revelators, Teaching Manuals and Offucial Websites f the Church today.

By their fruits ye shall know them... Unless they lie and deceive.
...Cherry picking is cheating, extracting the stuff that can't be dis-proven, and discarding the stuff that is.

They refuse to see the rotten fruits, (failed prophecy / early prophets) or the failed crop,(modern day prophets / no attempt to prophecy)
focusing only on the the bright and shiny ones that only exist in their mind, and that will yield the most profit at wholesale.

[_ldsfaqs]

It is perfectly clear that BY is off his nut. That's all that is clear. The whole thing is garbage and should just be dismissed by any Mormon. There is no reason a Mormon should explain it any further than that.

Tobin, I'm sorry my friend.... But here's another example of you just "accepting" the anti-mormon premise without putting any effort into understanding what Brigham Young was teaching.

Let me also point out to EVERYONE here, that while Brigham Young was teaching this idea a few times, he was ALSO teaching MUCH MORE the same LDS doctrine that we've always known, and that is that God the Father is "God".

Brigham wasn't "crazy"..... He was teaching a slightly deeper theology and understanding of the concept of "God". I should also note, that he was actually teaching what was and still is taught in the Temple. Nothing complicated here for those who are paying attention and seek to actually understand instead of mock and degrade.

[_ldsfaqs]

That BY may have taught that the Adam who fell is God the Father was disproved long ago. Not only by the more accurate Adam Sr Adam Jr hypothesis but by the doctrines BY believed and taught as well precluding such a notion not to mention his distinct separation of God the Father and the Adam who fell elsewhere in the JoD.

And besides all that, the JoD is not a doctrinal work........

And yet the JoD is quoted extensively by the Prophets, Seers, Revelators, Teaching Manuals and Official Websites of the Church today.

That's right.... What is DOCTRINE and teachings of the Church, such is quoted.
Sometimes Prophets have opinions, or they teach things that are a bit more complicated, that people like you can't understand. So, those things are not generally quoted.

[_PrickKicker]

The LDS church is riddled with get out clauses and excuses.

It was not the Prophet speaking it was the natural man.

All blessings are predicated on laws and you are to blame - It's your fault for not knowing or not following the elusive laws.

You've done something naughty
you've thought about doing something naughty
you've not been thinking about the things in the right spirit

You're not reading the scriptures
You're not interpreting them correctly
you're not reading them in the right spirit

You're not attending church
you're not attending all your meetings
you're not attending in the right spirit

you're not paying your tithing
you're not paying offerings
you're not paying in the right spirit

you're not praying
you're not praying properly
you're not praying in the right spirit

you're not keeping the commandments
you're not keeping your covenants
you're not keeping them in the right spirit

you're not attending the temple
you're not attending the temple enough
you're not attending in the right spirit

So there's not just the sins of commission there's the sins of omission too.

The smoke (the debate about unexplainable) and mirrors (the turn, it back on you) is for the magicians disappearance once the money has been handed over,
a loud bang and the smoke screen is deployed, to cause sensual impairment, is there to confuse you.

The magicians place the mirror between you and them, you now have to confront yourself. It's your fault the trick / miracle didn't work! or you end up convinced it did.

Not to dissimilar to verbal judo / Aikido.

[_gdemetz]

A prophet is only the mouthpiece of God when he is in the spirit of revelation from God. Otherwise he is just a man with opinions which can be wrong, just as Nathan was wrong when he told David to build the temple, just as Peter was wrong when he sided with the Jews regarding the circumcision of the gentile converts, and just as Brigham Young was wrong when he stated that! You should read the letter drafted by Wilford Woodruff and written by Joseph F. Smith correcting this misconception!

[_PrickKicker]

A prophet is only the mouthpiece of God when he is in the spirit of revelation from God. Otherwise he is just a man with opinions which can be wrong, just as Nathan was wrong when he told David to build the temple, just as Peter was wrong when he sided with the Jews regarding the circumcision of the gentile converts, and just as Brigham Young was wrong when he stated that! You should read the letter drafted by Wilford Woodruff and written by Joseph F. Smith correcting this misconception!

Yes you should read how one prophet lies and slanders another, in order to carry on with the fraud.
It has a name, will you give it to me? I will through the veil.
Lying for the Lord.


At some time in a GA's life he will reach the point where he knows its not true and that God has nothing what so ever to do with the org. and when he does he to has to choose.
knowing your reputation and responsibility and retirement, hangs in the balance. or tell the TRUTH..?

Wake Up!
Agent Smith and his clones are out to get you

[_LostInProvo]

A prophet is only the mouthpiece of God when he is in the spirit of revelation from God. Otherwise he is just a man with opinions which can be wrong, just as Nathan was wrong when he told David to build the temple, just as Peter was wrong when he sided with the Jews regarding the circumcision of the gentile converts, and just as Brigham Young was wrong when he stated that! You should read the letter drafted by Wilford Woodruff and written by Joseph F. Smith correcting this misconception!

So when it's convenient, a prophet is a prophet and when it's not, he's just a man? It sounds like cop out to me, a simple way of dismissing comments by a prophet or any GA.

[_Drifting]

If Adam is our God then he had sex with the daughter he created to generate the human race and then also with another daughter generations later to produce his son who was also his brother...what?