LittleNipper wrote:However, there is the Bible, there are locations connected with biblical historical events, there are collaborating histries written by outsiders, and there are changed lives of average people living today (and the not so distant past) who have become believers. They often relate startling events which have happened to them, that appear to be beyond coincidence.... Only actions produce a positive and opposite reation ---- not imagined events.
Which Biblical locations are you referring to? Have they found Jericho yet? Can you find a-n-y evidence that some 600,000 people wandered around in the Sinai desert for 40 years? Was there a synagogue in Nazareth that Jesus, in his youth, could have taught in (when he was teaching the learned scholars of his day)? Eden? Noah's flood?
Just wondering.
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You need to do some serious study of source critique. Sean Pitman, Ph.D. who you quote in this article is a doctor of Pathology, not trained in Geology or Archaeology, about which he writes. That's like asking a Pathologist to fix your teeth.
Furthermore he employs (or rather, exploits) a method of quote mining in order to prove his "internet" points or topics. I suggest you do a little reading of Stephen Gould and what he thinks of people who use quotes of his out of context. Pitman writes his articles, starting with the base of the Bible and then goes from there. In other words, the outcome is predetermined.
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bcuzbcuz wrote:Which Biblical locations are you referring to? Have they found Jericho yet?
Maybe I'm out of touch with newer scholarship on the matter, but hasn't Jericho undergone fairly extensive archaeological excavation? Dame Kathleen Kenyon's excavation report caused a bit of a stir because she reconfirmed findings of earlier archaeologists that Jericho had been uninhabited during the time of "the conquest".
LittleNipper wrote:However, there is the Bible, there are locations connected with biblical historical events, there are collaborating histries written by outsiders, and there are changed lives of average people living today (and the not so distant past) who have become believers. They often relate startling events which have happened to them, that appear to be beyond coincidence.... Only actions produce a positive and opposite reation ---- not imagined events.
Which Biblical locations are you referring to? Have they found Jericho yet? Can you find a-n-y evidence that some 600,000 people wandered around in the Sinai desert for 40 years? Was there a synagogue in Nazareth that Jesus, in his youth, could have taught in (when he was teaching the learned scholars of his day)? Eden? Noah's flood?
Just wondering.
Yes, Jericho has been found and the evidence is that the walls fell outward and the city was burned. Jesus spoke in the Temple at Jerusalem and the wailing wall is still there. There is proof that the Hebrews were in Egypt and until recently there was some mistake as to when they lived there --- this is being sorted out as more information has come to light.
You need to do some serious study of source critique. Sean Pitman, Ph.D. who you quote in this article is a doctor of Pathology, not trained in Geology or Archaeology, about which he writes. That's like asking a Pathologist to fix your teeth.
Furthermore he employs (or rather, exploits) a method of quote mining in order to prove his "internet" points or topics. I suggest you do a little reading of Stephen Gould and what he thinks of people who use quotes of his out of context. Pitman writes his articles, starting with the base of the Bible and then goes from there. In other words, the outcome is predetermined.
The paper was written very well, and you are just looking for an excuse. You want someone who isn't a Christian and accepts evolution and uniformitarianism to agree with me. The simple fact is, when that happens the individual becomes a Christian and a Creationist... It would seem YOU need to come to your own conclusions and not let others lead you around and do the research for you.
LittleNipper wrote:Yes, Jericho has been found and the evidence is that the walls fell outward and the city was burned.
Yes, but Jericho's destruction occurred at least 150 years too early (mid-sixteenth century bce) to be attributable to Joshua's army. Jericho's destruction layer also lacks evidence of battle (arrowheads, skeletons, etc.) that would be expected had the city fallen as described in the Book of Joshua.
LittleNipper wrote:However, there is the Bible, there are locations connected with biblical historical events, there are collaborating histries written by outsiders, and there are changed lives of average people living today (and the not so distant past) who have become believers. They often relate startling events which have happened to them, that appear to be beyond coincidence.... Only actions produce a positive and opposite reation ---- not imagined events.
Oh how true...
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LittleNipper wrote:Yes, Jericho has been found and the evidence is that the walls fell outward and the city was burned.
Yes, but Jericho's destruction occurred at least 150 years too early (mid-sixteenth century bce) to be attributable to Joshua's army. Jericho's destruction layer also lacks evidence of battle (arrowheads, skeletons, etc.) that would be expected had the city fallen as described in the Book of Joshua.
They didn't shoot arrows according to the Bible. The Hebrews simply marched around the city for 7 days and on the seventh day marched around 7 times and blew their rams horns. The people of Jericho were killed by the sword. The Hebrews would never have left the bodies just lying around, it was considered sinful. They were likely burned or buried.
LittleNipper wrote:They didn't shoot arrows according to the Bible. The Hebrews simply marched around the city for 7 days and on the seventh day marched around 7 times and blew their rams horns. The people of Jericho were killed by the sword. The Hebrews would never have left the bodies just lying around, it was considered sinful. They were likely burned or buried.
1) The destruction of Jericho occurred at least 150 years too early to fit the Biblical narrative.
2) The Canaanite defenders (assuming there were any) would certainly have used arrows.
3) The destruction caused by the conflagration and the fallen walls would have caused bodies to be buried beneath the rubble.
Other than fire, the destruction layer in question does not exhibit the typical signs of battle that are common to battle sites. The consensus is that Jericho was destroyed by fire -- perhaps caused by an earthquake -- some time around 1550 bce (though probably a little earlier). If Biblical chronology is to be taken seriously, the conquest of Canaan could not have occurred much earlier than 1400 bce.
Bret Ripley wrote:Yes, Jericho has been found and the evidence is that the walls fell outward and the city was burned.
Yes, but Jericho's destruction occurred at least 150 years too early (mid-sixteenth century bce) to be attributable to Joshua's army. Jericho's destruction layer also lacks evidence of battle (arrowheads, skeletons, etc.) that would be expected had the city fallen as described in the Book of Joshua.
LittleNipper wrote:They didn't shoot arrows according to the Bible. The Hebrews simply marched around the city for 7 days and on the seventh day marched around 7 times and blew their rams horns. The people of Jericho were killed by the sword. The Hebrews would never have left the bodies just lying around, it was considered sinful. They were likely burned or buried.
Jericho is described in the Old Testament as the "City of Palm Trees." Copious springs in and around the city attracted human habitation for thousands of years.[7] It is known in Judeo-Christian tradition as the place of the Israelites' return from bondage in Egypt, led by Joshua, the successor to Moses. Archaeologists have unearthed the remains of more than 20 successive settlements in Jericho, the first of which dates back 11,000 years (9000 BCE),[8] almost to the very beginning of the Holocene epoch of the Earth's history.
Hmmmm....it seems there is a continuous archeological record dating back tens of thousands of years. Miraculous that Jericho was utterly destroyed first by a global flood of 2,300 BC which only a handful of people on the planet survived - these people then sprung up enough offspring to go back and resettle Jericho as if nothing had ever happened. (see The Bible)
And then, just 800 years later in around 1,500 BC it is destroyed again by a rabble who brought it to it's knees by walking round it several times with heavy footsteps. And yet again this devastation is struck from the archeological record.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator