Tobin wrote: I think he's ravenous wolf in sheep's clothing Frank, such should be shunned and avoided. The Lord warns us about men like this. They destroy everyone and everything around them. All they do is spew hate and venom.
That's what you say you were doing before you thought God showed up. Maybe you should tell your God to stop being a hypocrite and get out there and show up for everyone else to.
It does not matter what anyone says to you. So why would anyone waste their time with you? Why don't you define to us your world view and how you got to believe it? We can all examine your thoughts and feelings. What great fun.
At least some can be honest when discussing this topic. Hard to find them here, but there are a couple. Gordon comes to mind. Now at church we find many more willing to talk about them.
All I am asking is that Drifting give us a description of his beliefs and why he holds those beliefs. He asks us to provide detail about our beliefs all of the time. Does anyone else think that Drifting is rather silent right now? I mean he acts all sure of himself and what he believes. So why does he not lay it all out for us to see? Is he ashamed of his beliefs? Does he even know what they are? Let us have some data Drifting so we can start chatting about what you believe.
Franktalk wrote:All I am asking is that Drifting give us a description of his beliefs and why he holds those beliefs. He asks us to provide detail about our beliefs all of the time. Does anyone else think that Drifting is rather silent right now? I mean he acts all sure of himself and what he believes. So why does he not lay it all out for us to see? Is he ashamed of his beliefs? Does he even know what they are? Let us have some data Drifting so we can start chatting about what you believe.
You are dodging again. He has asked you about some of the claims you have put forward. Why should he answer your question if you will not answer his. I don't recall him putting forward any beliefs in particular that should warrant you asking him about. You are just trying to avoid his questions about some things like the spiritual that you have brought up.
LittleNipper wrote:[ You really need to make some effort, with Christ's help, to revisit the Flood.
Why?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
It does not matter what anyone says to you. So why would anyone waste their time with you? Why don't you define to us your world view and how you got to believe it? We can all examine your thoughts and feelings. What great fun.
You don't really know either, do you...?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Franktalk wrote:All I am asking is that Drifting give us a description of his beliefs and why he holds those beliefs. He asks us to provide detail about our beliefs all of the time. Does anyone else think that Drifting is rather silent right now? I mean he acts all sure of himself and what he believes. So why does he not lay it all out for us to see? Is he ashamed of his beliefs? Does he even know what they are? Let us have some data Drifting so we can start chatting about what you believe.
I'm a quiet sleeper!
Have you read the OP?
Also, search for a thread titled (If I recall correctly) 'Am I An Apostate' where I laid out what I do or do not believe.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Themis wrote:You {Franktalk} are just trying to avoid his questions about some things like the spiritual that you have brought up.
You noticed that too...
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Franktalk wrote:I mean he acts all sure of himself and what he believes.
totally disagree he/she comes across as somewhat insecure and as someone on shaky ground within him/herself. The rather transparent facade put forth is not even a clever or novel act but more of a gesture.....my experience has been to witness such behavior among young and maturing people or adults that are deeply troubled and wrestling with who they may really be. Drifting appreciates the game for the score but not for the manner of play.
as for what Drifting believes? that is likely changing with the tides....Drifting is still more concerned with what he/she does NOT believe.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Franktalk wrote:I mean he acts all sure of himself and what he believes.
totally disagree he/she comes across as somewhat insecure and as someone on shaky ground within him/herself. The rather transparent facade put forth is not even a clever or novel act but more of a gesture.....my experience has been to witness such behavior among young and maturing people or adults that are deeply troubled and wrestling with who they may really be. Drifting appreciates the game for the score but not for the manner of play.
as for what Drifting believes? that is likely changing with the tides....Drifting is still more concerned with what he/she does NOT believe.
Hey subby, when do you believe the global flood mentioned in the Bible actually happened? (I will bet that subby will not answer specifically when he believes it happened...)
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
