Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:I don't need you to know wether or not I'm telling the truth.

then why say it at all?
(understand the fallacy now?) :wink:
your own actions contradict you better than anything else ever could.


Then why do you respond to my posts, more than to other peoples?
Explain your infatuation with Drifting.
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Mktavish wrote:My experience was I never wanted to get called upon to give the prayer. Never good at public speaking either. And I guess you could say I had whats called stage fright untill mid 20's after playing enough shows in a band.

stage fright is a result of being too "self conscious"....which is kinda the issue at hand....ironic really.....maybe if you were able to focus on something other than how you looked or what others were thinking about you.....well, you get it by now :wink:
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Drifting wrote:Then why do you respond to my posts, more than to other peoples?
Explain your infatuation with Drifting.

Again, "then why say it at all?" - funny how you deflect the obvious questions...but your attempted diversion merely accentuates the fallacy of your position.

and i would not call it an "infatuation"...more of a curiosity...like how one is curious as they drive by a car wreck.
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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:Then why do you respond to my posts, more than to other peoples?
Explain your infatuation with Drifting.

Again, "then why say it at all?" - funny how you deflect the obvious questions...but your attempted diversion merely accentuates the fallacy of your position.

and i would not call it an "infatuation"...more of a curiosity...like how one is curious as they drive by a car wreck.


But you keep driving by don't you.
Time after time after time after time.

The fact that you choose to disbelieve me, yet believe in a global flood (the date of which escapes you) says rather more about you than it does about my anecdote.

"Infatuation" C. Aguilara


Ooh oh, hey
Hey, oh oh, hey

He comes from a foreign place
An island far away
Intrigues me with every move
Til' I'm breathless, I'm helpless
Can't keep my cool
Steals my heart when he takes my hand
And we dance, to the rhythm of the band
I feel his finger tips, grip my hips
And I slip as we dip into a rare bliss


Let me go subby, let me go....
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Drifting wrote:The fact that you choose to disbelieve me,

it is not that i "disbelieve", it is the fact that there is no evidence to make your story believable....which surely you accept as a fair position; i believe you require corroboration for something to be considered "true", correct?
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Tobin wrote:Interesting word archaic. It means that the uses of the 2nd person singular pronoun is primitive and inferior to uses today. I challenge the "supposedly" more knowledgable Albion to demonstrate how the use of 'you' is superior to the "supposedly" archaic 2nd person singular prounoun 'thou' in the scriptures.


The usage of the pronoun "you" in modern English comes with no restrictions on the user. The usage of "thou" in older English or KJV English as written about here, required that an agreement between the addresser and the addressee was in place. The addresser would commonly ask of the addressee, "May I address the Lord, Grand Duchy of Featherbottom, keeper of the Kings Most Holy Sword, etc. etc., as 'thou'?" , upon which the addressee could respond 'yes' or 'no'. ( Firstly, a person of lesser class would never even consider asking the question, and secondly the addressee would have to consider all the ramifications should it be agreed to drop the formality of the title). If no agreement was reached the user would have to revert to the formal title that proceeded the name of the addressee. (Speakers of Scandinavian and Germanic languages, as well as Spanish in Spain, will recognize this formal step necessary for the usage of the familiar form). It resulted in language usage such as, "Would the Lord, Grand Duchy of Featherbottom, keeper of the Kings Most Holy Sword, etc. etc. please pass the salt?" (No wonder the upper class relied on non-titled servants to get the salt passed.)

The usage of "thou" in prayer requires the same agreement between addresser and addressee. You, as the prayer giver, must ask of the prayer receiver, God, if you may use the familiar form. (No wonder the Catholic Church relied on saints and angels to act as mediary.)

Let me know when God gets back to you about whether you are on an informal, familiar basis with him. I, for one, got tired of waiting for a response and took his lack of answer as a "no".
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bcuzbcuz wrote:
Tobin wrote:Interesting word archaic. It means that the uses of the 2nd person singular pronoun is primitive and inferior to uses today. I challenge the "supposedly" more knowledgable Albion to demonstrate how the use of 'you' is superior to the "supposedly" archaic 2nd person singular prounoun 'thou' in the scriptures.


The usage of the pronoun "you" in modern English comes with no restrictions on the user. The usage of "thou" in older English or KJV English as written about here, required that an agreement between the addresser and the addressee was in place. The addresser would commonly ask of the addressee, may I address the Lord, Grand Duchy of Featherbottom, keeper of the Kings Most Holy Sword, etc. etc., as "thou" , upon which the addressee could respond yes or no. If no agreement was reached the user would have to revert to the formal title that proceeded the name of the addressee. (Speakers of Scandinavian and Germanic languages, as well as Spanish in Spain, will recognize this formal step necessary for the usage of the familiar form). It resulted in language usage such as, "Would the Lord, Grand Duchy of Featherbottom, keeper of the Kings Most Holy Sword, etc. etc. please pass the salt?" No wonder the upper class relied on non-titled servants to get the salt passed.

The usage of "thou" in prayer requires the same agreement between addresser and addressee. Let me know when God gets back to you about whether you are on an informal, familiar basis with him. I, for one, got tired of waiting for a response and took his lack of answer as a "no".


How do they go on in Spain?
What Spanish words do they have to use from the past when praying to ensure they don't offend God?
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Drifting wrote:How do they go on in Spain?
What Spanish words do they have to use from the past when praying to ensure they don't offend God?


My Spanish isn't good enough to give a good answer, but my wife is a native Spanish speaker and she said that a formal agreement must be arrived at between the addresser and the addressee to use the informal 'tu'. Otherwise the form of 'usted' must be used. She told me how her kids were laughed at when visiting relatives in South America when her children had used the informal 'tu' to their relatives. To avoid confusion and until an agreement is reached it would be proper to say, "Would Engineer, first class, Sanchez, please pass the salt?"

God has 99 names of attributes in the Qur'an. These are adjectives, by definition, but there is no formally agreed upon list, and therefore actually more than 99 names. There are arguments that continue to this day about which words qualify as attributes. Each scholar has his own list.

How many of these do you think fit as attributes to the Christian-Judean God?

The Exceedingly Compassionate, The Exceedingly Beneficent, The Exceedingly Gracious
The Exceedingly Merciful
The King
The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect
The Peace, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Savior
The Guarantor, The Affirming
The Guardian
The Almighty, The Invulnerable, The Honorable
The Irresistible, The Compeller, The Lofty
The Majestic, The Supreme
The Creator
The Evolver, The Fashioner, The Designer
The Fashioner of Forms
The Repeatedly Forgiving
The Subduer
The Bestower
The Provider
The Opener, The Victory Giver
The All Knowing, The Omniscient
The Restrainer, The Straightener
The Extender / Expander
The Abaser
The Exalter
The Giver of Honour
The Giver of Dishonour
The All Hearing
The All Seeing
The Judge, The Arbitrator
The Utterly Just
The Gentle, The Subtly Kind
The All Aware
The Forbearing, The Indulgent
The Magnificent
The Much-Forgiving
The Grateful
The Sublime
The Great
The Preserver
The Nourisher
The Bringer of Judgment
The Majestic
The Bountiful, The Generous
The Watchful
The Responsive, The Answer
The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Omnipresent, The Boundless
The Wise
The Loving
All-Glorious, The Majestic
The Resurrecter
The Witness
The Truth, The Reality
The Trustee, The Dependable, The Advocate
The Strong
The Firm, The Steadfast
The Friend, Patron and Helper
The All Praiseworthy
The Accounter, The Numberer of All
The Originator, The Producer, The Initiator
The Restorer, The Reinstater Who Brings Back All
The Giver of Life
The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death
The Living
The Subsisting, The Guardian
The Perceiver, The Finder, The Unfailing
The Illustrious, The Magnificent
The One, The Unique
The Unity, The Indivisible
The Eternal, The Absolute, The Self-Sufficient
The Omnipotent, The All Able
The Determiner, The Dominant
The Expediter, He Who Brings Forward
The Delayer, He Who Puts Far Away
The First, The Beginning-less
The Last, The Endless
The Manifest, The Evident, The Outer
The Hidden, The Unmanifest, The Inner
The Patron, The Protecting Friend, The Friendly Lord
The Supremely Exalted, The Most High
The Good, The Beneficent
The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting
The Avenger
The Pardoner, The Effacer, The Forgiver
The Kind, The Pitying
The Owner of all Sovereignty
The Lord of Majesty and Generosity
The Equitable, The Requiter
The Gatherer, The Unifier
The Rich, The Independent
The Enricher, The Emancipator
The Withholder, The Shielder, The Defender
The Distressor, The Harmer, The Afflictor
The Propitious, The Benefactor, The Source of Good
The Light
The Guide, The Way
The Incomparable, The Unattainable
The Immutable, The Infinite, The Everlasting
The Heir, The Inheritor of All
The Guide to the Right Path
The Timeless, The Patient

The Baha'i think they have the 100th name, but that is a discussion for another day.
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