Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

[_bcuzbcuz]

In English, there are categories of pronouns. If you wish to be specific (and not ambiguous), then you should understand the differences as outlined below:

1st person singular nominative: I
1st person singular objective: Me
1st person singular possessive: My (or Mine)

1st person plural nominative: We
1st person plural objective: Us
1st person plural possessive: Our (or Ours)

2nd person singular nominative: Thou
2nd person singular objective: Thee
2nd person singular possessive: Thy (or Thine)

2nd person plural nominative: Ye
2nd person plural objective: You
2nd person plural possessive: Your (or Yours)

3rd person singular nominative: He/She/It
3rd person singular objective: Him/Her/It
3rd person singular possessive: His/Hers/Its

3rd person plural nominative: They
3rd person plural objective: Them
3rd person plural possessive: Their (or Theirs)

Yeah, well, thanks for your lesson in grade 8 English. However, if you wish to be correct the case forms are 'nominative' and 'accusative'. Otherwise, in your Merikan vernacular, it is 'subjective-objective case'. In standard, modern English there is no differentiation between the singular and plural form of 'you'. 'You' is both nominative and accusative in both singular and plural case. 'Yous' as in the Merikan 'yous guys' is still neither nominative nor accusative.

Furthermore, your singular and plural possessive listings are not interchangeable between the possessive determiner (in conjunction with the noun) "my work" with 'my' also called a 'possessive adjective', and the possessive pronoun of "mine".

You little lesson although it includes the old forms of 'thou' and 'ye' lacks in completeness since you do not include the appropriate pronoun forms for:



A

all
another
any
anybody
anyone
anything




B

both




E

each
each other
either
everybody
everyone
everything




F

few




H

he
her
hers
herself
him
himself
his




I through O



I

I
it
its
itself




L

little




M

many
me
mine
more
most
much
my
myself



N

neither
no one
nobody
none
nothing




O

one
one another
other
others
our
ours
ourselves



S through Y



S

several
she
some
somebody
someone
something




T

that
their
theirs
them
themselves
these
they
this
those




U

us



W

we
what
whatever
which
whichever
who
whoever
whom
whomever
whose



Y

you
your
yours
yourself
yourselves

[_subgenius]

How do they go on in Spain?
What Spanish words do they have to use from the past when praying to ensure they don't offend God?

2. My experience speaking Spanish has been that there is a formal and informal manner by which to speak.

3. it is not a point of "offending" God. That is a false argument you are proposing, no one claims that informal speaking is "offensive" to God....except you.
4. It is more and more obvious that you have either missed the point or are just basically disingenuous no matter the subject.

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[_malkie]

In English, there are categories of pronouns. If you wish to be specific (and not ambiguous), then you should understand the differences as outlined below:

1st person singular nominative: I
1st person singular objective: Me
1st person singular possessive: My (or Mine)

1st person plural nominative: We
1st person plural objective: Us
1st person plural possessive: Our (or Ours)

2nd person singular nominative: Thou
2nd person singular objective: Thee
2nd person singular possessive: Thy (or Thine)

2nd person plural nominative: Ye
2nd person plural objective: You
2nd person plural possessive: Your (or Yours)

3rd person singular nominative: He/She/It
3rd person singular objective: Him/Her/It
3rd person singular possessive: His/Hers/Its

3rd person plural nominative: They
3rd person plural objective: Them
3rd person plural possessive: Their (or Theirs)

Yeah, well, thanks for your lesson in grade 8 English. However, if you wish to be correct the case forms are 'nominative' and 'accusative'. Otherwise, in your Merikan vernacular, it is 'subjective-objective case'. In standard, modern English there is no differentiation between the singular and plural form of 'you'. 'You' is both nominative and accusative in both singular and plural case. 'Yous' as in the Merikan 'yous guys' is still neither nominative nor accusative.

Furthermore, your singular and plural possessive listings are not interchangeable between the possessive determiner (in conjunction with the noun) "my work" with 'my' also called a 'possessive adjective', and the possessive pronoun of "mine".

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Good luck! I've been down that path already with Tobin, but, in spite of the contents of his table of "pronouns", his reply was:

And I have no idea why you are bringing up possessive adjectives here. I was only talking about pronouns.

followed in a later post by:

And again you have failed twice to explain why you have brought up possessive adjectives. Just because I stated 'my' is a possessive pronoun does not mean it can not be used as a possessive adjective as well in a sentence like 'This is my car'. I am boggled by what you are saying and would love to hear you explain that.

I stopped trying shortly after that, but I'll be pleased if you succeed where I failed.

Perhaps Tobin feels that since god talked to him he must not admit to being wrong about anything.

[_Drifting]

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... r?lang=eng

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[_ludwigm]

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/1993/04/the-language-of-prayer?lang=eng

Was that article translated to Spanish? Or to German? Or - for god's sake - to Hungarian?

Or could it be?

Is there anybody/anything outside of utahn English thinking?

[_malkie]

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/1993/04/the-language-of-prayer?lang=eng

So, in languages like French, Spanish, German, etc., for everyday use, there are "formal" personal pronouns, and there are "familiar" personal pronouns used in talking to friends & family members. In these languages you use the familiar pronouns when talking to god, 'cause he's your father, right?

However, in English, which lacks such distinction, you don't talk to god using the same personal pronouns that you would use with family members, including your father.

... members of our Church do not address our Heavenly Father with the same words we use in speaking to a fellow worker, to an employee or employer, or to a merchant in the marketplace. We use special words that have been sanctified by use in inspired communications ...

You have to use a special-purpose "sanctified" set of pronouns that emphasise that you are not talking to a family member - after all, he's your father, right?

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Somewhat related story: A number of years ago a young man who blessed the sacrament in my branch did not take the sacrament - he told the branch pres that he was not worthy to do so. The BP consulted with his counselors and concluded that, since the boy's priesthood was intact it was OK - there was no need to re-bless and pass the sacrament. After all, which of us is really worthy?

However, we know from experience (often painful and embarrassing) that if he had said "you" in place of "thee" in the sacrament prayer he would have been asked to repeat the prayer until he got it "right", or someone else did it properly in his place.

Takeaway: in god's view, an ordinance performed by an unworthy person is OK, but one in which the incorrect personal pronoun is used is invalid.

Am I missing something here?

Is god more concerned with the outer appearance than the inner?

Should the sacrament have been re-blessed by someone who felt worthy, and passed again to the members?

[_subgenius]

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/1993/04/the-language-of-prayer?lang=eng

"The words we use in speaking to someone can identify the nature of our relationship to that person. They can also remind speaker and listener of the responsibilities they owe one another in that relationship. The form of address can also serve as a mark of respect or affection."

Wow! Such an incredibly difficult and/or scandalous concept! Thanks to Drifting and his/her crew for providing such an illuminating discourse on what must be a pivotal issue in so may people's theological development.
Let us revisit there argument:
1. It does not matter how we pray to God, we can pray in any manner which pleases us!
2. It does matter how you pray to God if use a deliberate tone and vocabulary that we consider absurd!

repeat the above ad nausea until someone "gives a high five!" then declare victory! - then proceed to frame envious discourse on the perversions of Joseph Smith, following example above....1. Keep your laws and morality out of my bedroom...2.We should condemn others for their alleged bedroom antics....

lather and repeat...no rinsing allowed

[_bcuzbcuz]

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/1993/04/the-language-of-prayer?lang=eng

"The words we use in speaking to someone can identify the nature of our relationship to that person. They can also remind speaker and listener of the responsibilities they owe one another in that relationship. The form of address can also serve as a mark of respect or affection."

Wow! Such an incredibly difficult and/or scandalous concept! Thanks to Drifting and his/her crew for providing such an illuminating discourse on what must be a pivotal issue in so may people's theological development.
Let us revisit there argument:
1. It does not matter how we pray to God, we can pray in any manner which pleases us!
2. It does matter how you pray to God if use a deliberate tone and vocabulary that we consider absurd!

repeat the above ad nausea until someone "gives a high five!" then declare victory! - then proceed to frame envious discourse on the perversions of Joseph Smith, following example above....1. Keep your laws and morality out of my bedroom...2.We should condemn others for their alleged bedroom antics....

lather and repeat...no rinsing allowed

Cute but only clever enough by half.

If you want to tell me that you and God are on an approved informal basis of addressing each other, I will take your word for it.

A blanket permission of addressing God informally can not be equated from any Joseph Smith statement. God may have given Joseph such permission but each person must make the request in person for it to be legitimate and merely asking for permission is not enough.

In moving from formal, titular greeting to informal, familiar greeting each supplicant must ask and receive permission individually. Until such time, the full title must be given.

Each prayer should start with title first.

Here's a good starter list for the titles of God. You may have others and feel free to add to the list.

The Exceedingly Compassionate, The Exceedingly Beneficent, The Exceedingly Gracious
The Exceedingly Merciful
The King
The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect
The Peace, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Savior
The Guarantor, The Affirming
The Guardian
The Almighty, The Invulnerable, The Honorable
The Irresistible, The Compeller, The Lofty
The Majestic, The Supreme
The Creator
The Evolver, The Fashioner, The Designer
The Fashioner of Forms
The Repeatedly Forgiving
The Subduer
The Bestower
The Provider
The Opener, The Victory Giver
The All Knowing, The Omniscient
The Restrainer, The Straightener
The Extender / Expander
The Abaser
The Exalter
The Giver of Honour
The Giver of Dishonour
The All Hearing
The All Seeing
The Judge, The Arbitrator
The Utterly Just
The Gentle, The Subtly Kind
The All Aware
The Forbearing, The Indulgent
The Magnificent
The Much-Forgiving
The Grateful
The Sublime
The Great
The Preserver
The Nourisher
The Bringer of Judgment
The Majestic
The Bountiful, The Generous
The Watchful
The Responsive, The Answer
The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Omnipresent, The Boundless
The Wise
The Loving
All-Glorious, The Majestic
The Resurrecter
The Witness
The Truth, The Reality
The Trustee, The Dependable, The Advocate
The Strong
The Firm, The Steadfast
The Friend, Patron and Helper
The All Praiseworthy
The Accounter, The Numberer of All
The Originator, The Producer, The Initiator
The Restorer, The Reinstater Who Brings Back All
The Giver of Life
The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death
The Living
The Subsisting, The Guardian
The Perceiver, The Finder, The Unfailing
The Illustrious, The Magnificent
The One, The Unique
The Unity, The Indivisible
The Eternal, The Absolute, The Self-Sufficient
The Omnipotent, The All Able
The Determiner, The Dominant
The Expediter, He Who Brings Forward
The Delayer, He Who Puts Far Away
The First, The Beginning-less
The Last, The Endless
The Manifest, The Evident, The Outer
The Hidden, The Unmanifest, The Inner
The Patron, The Protecting Friend, The Friendly Lord
The Supremely Exalted, The Most High
The Good, The Beneficent
The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting
The Avenger
The Pardoner, The Effacer, The Forgiver
The Kind, The Pitying
The Owner of all Sovereignty
The Lord of Majesty and Generosity
The Equitable, The Requiter
The Gatherer, The Unifier
The Rich, The Independent
The Enricher, The Emancipator
The Withholder, The Shielder, The Defender
The Distressor, The Harmer, The Afflictor
The Propitious, The Benefactor, The Source of Good
The Light
The Guide, The Way
The Incomparable, The Unattainable
The Immutable, The Infinite, The Everlasting
The Heir, The Inheritor of All
The Guide to the Right Path
The Timeless, The Patient

I personally think number 14 and 34 are the ones I would use most often and would be oft repeated whenever I supplicated.