Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

The upper-crust forum for scholarly, polite, and respectful discussions only. Heavily moderated. Rated G.
Post Reply
_Tobin
_Emeritus
Posts: 8417
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:01 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _Tobin »

bcuzbcuz wrote:Yeah, well, thanks for your lesson in grade 8 English. However, if you wish to be correct the case forms are 'nominative' and 'accusative'. Otherwise, in your Merikan vernacular, it is 'subjective-objective case'. In standard, modern English there is no differentiation between the singular and plural form of 'you'. 'You' is both nominative and accusative in both singular and plural case. 'Yous' as in the Merikan 'yous guys' is still neither nominative nor accusative.
I don't see you stating any facts here in dispute of what I said. Please explain how the modern singular and plural form of you is more clear than the separate forms I discussed and that are still in use in religious English speech (and in some parts of the world today).
bcuzbcuz wrote:Furthermore, your singular and plural possessive listings are not interchangeable between the possessive determiner (in conjunction with the noun) "my work" with 'my' also called a 'possessive adjective', and the possessive pronoun of "mine".
I didn't make that distinction in my initial post and in a subsequent post already explained that to malakie. You are repeating something I already said.
bcuzbcuz wrote:You little lesson although it includes the old forms of 'thou' and 'ye' lacks in completeness since you do not include the appropriate pronoun forms for:...
I didn't claim it was a complete list. Again, the point you have failed address (like malakie failed repeatedly to address) is one of specificity. If you have the time, enlighten us about how the "modern" forms are more clear than what I stated and give us examples. I'd love to see an actual counter argument here instead of stating my list was not fully complete which I never claimed.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
_Tobin
_Emeritus
Posts: 8417
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:01 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _Tobin »

malkie wrote:I stopped trying shortly after that, but I'll be pleased if you succeed where I failed.

Or more likely, you failed to respond because instead you know you are wrong. If I'm mistaken, please demonstrate how I'm mistaken. To date, you have failed repeatedly to respond with a single example or counter argument.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
_bcuzbcuz
_Emeritus
Posts: 688
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:14 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _bcuzbcuz »

Tobin wrote:I didn't make that distinction in my initial post and in a subsequent post already explained that to malakie. You are repeating something I already said.


Well, no you didn't. You questioned why Malakie mentioned a "possessive adjective". In fact you said,
Tobin wrote:"And I have no idea why you are bringing up possessive adjectives here. I was only talking about pronouns."


You made that statement on the 8th of September.

Either you said that or someone else is posting in your name. If you said it, you are totally incorrect. If someone else made that statement in your name, then talk to the adjudicators of this site. "my" as used in "my dog", the word "my" is a possessive adjective, whether you like it or not. The word "mine", as in "That dog is mine", is a possessive pronoun.

Tobin wrote: "Please explain how I'm being incorrect in the slightest and give examples. I would really love to hear all about it because you are NOT correct and your suggestion is completely idiotic."


Once again, Did you state that or not? If you said that, you are totally incorrect and it shows in your grammar usage.

English isn't even my native language and I know that "my" is a possessive adjective.
And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love...you make. PMcC
_Tobin
_Emeritus
Posts: 8417
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:01 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _Tobin »

bcuzbcuz wrote:...
I know English isn't your first language. Please try to read and comprehend the thread. I've ALREADY stated that 'my' when used in 'my car' is a possessive adjective. You seem to be limiting your responses to my intial post. Get over it. This isn't a static conversation and I'm free to clarify further. AND that does not also mean that 'my' is not also a possessive pronoun. For some reason, you seem to think they are mutually exclusive. Please look up the defintion of 'my' in the dictionary sometime. You might be amazed to find out it is ALSO identified as a possesive pronoun. OR maybe ALL the dictionaries in the world are wrong and we MUST follow the say-so of bcuzbcuz because English isn't his first language?!? :lol: But, if you feel you are correct, I'd love to see you get ALL the dictionaries changed to fit your limited definition. Good luck with that.

by the way - It is also an interjection in the phrase 'my-my'. You didn't state that. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about since you missed that in your "supposedly" complete analysis.

Now, I want an answer to my challenge. Demonstrate how the modern use of 'you' is a clearer usage.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
_bcuzbcuz
_Emeritus
Posts: 688
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:14 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _bcuzbcuz »

Tobin wrote:
bcuzbcuz wrote:...
I know English isn't your first language. Please try to read and comprehend the thread. I've ALREADY stated that 'my' when used in 'my car' is a possessive adjective. You seem to be limiting your responses to my intial post. Get over it. This isn't a static conversation and I'm free to clarify further. AND that does not also mean that 'my' is not also a possessive pronoun. For some reason, you seem to think they are mutually exclusive. Please look up the defintion of 'my' in the dictionary sometime. You might be amazed to find out it is ALSO identified as a possesive pronoun. OR maybe ALL the dictionaries in the world are wrong and we MUST follow the say-so of bcuzbcuz because English isn't his first language?!? :lol: But, if you feel you are correct, I'd love to see you get ALL the dictionaries changed to fit your limited definition. Good luck with that.

by the way - It is also an interjection in the phrase 'my-my'. You didn't state that. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about since you missed that in your "supposedly" complete analysis.

Now, I want an answer to my challenge. Demonstrate how the modern use of 'you' is a clearer usage.


I don't know how many English dictionaries you own, or whether you just use the internet.? But I would suggest you get yourself a copy of "Webster's New World Dictionary" with over 60,000 entries. Look up the word 'my', page 427, on the same page as 'myopic', 'mystery' and 'myth'. There, the word 'my' is listed, clearly in dark black letters, as possessive pronominal adjective. The Oxford English Dictionary lists 'my' as a possessive determiner, in both its British English and American English dictionaries.

And I didn't even need to do anything more than take the dictionaries down from my shelf.

And you're right, I've never used 'my' as an interjection so I didn't think of it. Saying 'my, my' in the other languages I speak would just sound like a bad stutter.
And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love...you make. PMcC
_Tobin
_Emeritus
Posts: 8417
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:01 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _Tobin »

bcuzbcuz wrote:
Tobin wrote:Now, I want an answer to my challenge. Demonstrate how the modern use of 'you' is a clearer usage.


I don't know how many English dictionaries you own, or whether you just use the internet.? But I would suggest you get yourself a copy of "Webster's New World Dictionary" with over 60,000 entries. Look up the word 'my', page 427, on the same page as 'myopic', 'mystery' and 'myth'. There, the word 'my' is listed, clearly in dark black letters, as possessive pronominal adjective. The Oxford English Dictionary lists 'my' as a possessive determiner, in both its British English and American English dictionaries.

And I didn't even need to do anything more than take the dictionaries down from my shelf.

And you're right, I've never used 'my' as an interjection so I didn't think of it. Saying 'my, my' in the other languages I speak would just sound like a bad stutter.


You'll note that I provide links to back up my statements:

I, pronoun, nominative I, possessive my or mine, objective me; plural nominative we, possessive our or ours, objective us; noun, plural I's.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/my

And I've never stated that 'my' is not also a possessive adjective. And I'll also point out that mine, what you claim is TRULY the only a possessive pronoun, happens to ALSO be a predicate adjective to be exact. There is something else you failed to acknowledge in your "complete" analyisis. You really are looking silly right now, but people continue to amuse me.

Maybe you should think of it this way, what does my stand for? That is the job of a pronoun by the way. If I was referring to Tobin, I could replace "my car" with "Tobin's car". Seems like it very much is a possessive pronoun to me. The same thing can be done with mine too. "The car is mine" becomes "The car is Tobin's." It seems very clear that they THEY ARE BOTH acting as POSSESSIVE PRONOUNS.

I also note again that you have failed to address what my point was and have continued to harp on something I've never denied AT ALL. What is wrong with you? Are you simply incapable of addressing what I said and instead harp on my original post, despite the FACT I responded to malakie that it was indeed a possessive adjective?!? If you fail again to respond to my point, I will simply put you on ignore from now on since you don't seem mature enough to actually respond to what I said.
Last edited by Guest on Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
_bcuzbcuz
_Emeritus
Posts: 688
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:14 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _bcuzbcuz »

Tobin wrote:
You'll note that I provide links to back up my statements:

I, pronoun, nominative I, possessive my or mine, objective me; plural nominative we, possessive our or ours, objective us; noun, plural I's.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/my

And I've never stated that 'my' is not also a possessive adjective. And I'll also point out that mine, what you claim is TRULY the only a possessive pronoun, happens to ALSO be a predicate adjective to be exact. There is something else you failed to acknowledge in your "complete" analyisis. You really are looking silly right now, but people continue to amuse me.

Maybe you should think of it this way, what does my stand for. If I was referring to myself, I could replace "my car" with "Tobin's car". Seems like it very much is a possessive pronoun to me. The same thing can be done with mine too. "The car is mine" becomes "The car is Tobin's." It seems very clear that they THEY ARE BOTH acting as POSSESSIVE PRONOUNS.

I also note again that you have failed yet again to address what my point was and have continued to harp on something I've never denied AT ALL. What is wrong with you? Are you simply incapable of addressing what I said and instead harp on my original post, despite the FACT I responded to malakie that it was indeed a possessive adjective?!? If you fail again to respond to my point, I will simply put you on ignore from now on since you don't seem mature enough to actually respond to what I said.


You're right, I can just feeeeel the love.
And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love...you make. PMcC
_moksha
_Emeritus
Posts: 22508
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:42 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _moksha »

Tobin wrote:I've ALREADY stated that 'my' when used in 'my car' is a possessive adjective.


Wouldn't "mine car", show the utmost respect for your vehicle?
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
_bcuzbcuz
_Emeritus
Posts: 688
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:14 pm

Re: Most Formal Word Choice in Prayer Pleaseth God

Post by _bcuzbcuz »

moksha wrote:
Tobin wrote:I've ALREADY stated that 'my' when used in 'my car' is a possessive adjective.


Wouldn't "mine car", show the utmost respect for your vehicle?


No, the most respekt is shown by stating. "mein auto". :lol:
And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love...you make. PMcC
Post Reply