What are the rules for gay Mormons?

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Re: What are the rules for gay Mormons?

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Spencer W Kimball, October 1960 Conference talk:
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents-on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather. There was the doctor in a Utah city who for two years had had an Indian boy in his home who stated that he was some shades lighter than the younger brother just coming into the program from the reservation. These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.


subgenius, why didn't you re quote this bit?
Was Kimball jesting too?
It sure doesn't sound like a jest and at Conference too!

You should also know by now that, in Mormonism, no official position or Prophet pronouncement is 'immutable'. There is enough precedent to not be surprised if and when the Church's position on gay's in the Church 'shifts'....
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Drifting wrote:subgenius, why didn't you re quote this bit?

it was unnecessary as i was being specific

Drifting wrote:Was Kimball jesting too?

"One white elder jokingly said" - without the audio, but in context, it is easily something being conveyed as a light-hearted commentary.
Drifting wrote:It sure doesn't sound like a jest and at Conference too!

Humor is not uncommon in GC...though you and i would likely disagree at what is humorous, it still occurs...intentionally.

Drifting wrote:You should also know by now that, in Mormonism, no official position or Prophet pronouncement is 'immutable'. There is enough precedent to not be surprised if and when the Church's position on gay's in the Church 'shifts'....

Your reductionist conclusion is absurd. Your logic implies that one should expect the Church to denounce the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Book of Mormon and only canonize the writings of Oscar Wilde....or that one day it is "not surprising" when the church proclaims that they are going to teach atheism.
There is no rationale, and no evidence, that would lead any reasonable person to consider LGBT as an immutable position or that the church will "someday" revise its position on marriage.
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subgenius wrote:There is no rationale, and no evidence, that would lead any reasonable person to consider LGBT as an immutable position or that the church will "someday" revise its position on marriage.


:lol:

The Church has already revised its position on marriage, twice!

The first revision can be found in D&C 132.
The second revision can be found in OD1.
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