Drifting - what does he believe/not believe...?

[_Drifting]

Because I'm a Mormon Priesthood holder.

well, that is more of a description, not a reason...but everyone reading understands your deflection...


but more importantly now....
since you can renounce and resign your Priesthood and membership and you have nothing but disdain for the church...
Why are you still a Mormon Priesthood holder?

hmmm...honestly i do not expect a sincere response here either....

nevertheless...your omissions to these questions provide the answer.

its the food orders isn't it?

Mormons go to Mormon Church regardless of their level of belief because they are Mormons. Mormon Priesthood holders go to Mormon Priesthood lessons in the same way.

I have never claimed to be inactive, just not believing.
I'm still a Mormon Priesthood holder because I am not disfellowshipped nor excommunicated nor resigned.

[_Themis]

I need only give one. You might try reading the definition you provided. You said he conceded when we both know that is not true, and therefore a lie.

i did read it...and posted it....and i said he conceded, because he did, by definition. Just because you "think" he did not, does not make me a liar.
Just as your post here does not make you a liar, it just makes you incorrect - not a liar - just incorrect.

I read his post, and it was very clear what he meant. You are either lying or have a major reading comprehension problem. Considering I have caught you doing it with others, I think lying is the only likely one.

a rather awkward concession by you?.........but how much clearer can i make my position? what seems to be "unclear"?
"have you not maintained that any "spiritual experience" is not possible outside of the 5 senses? outside of the realm of that which "senses" (the brain)?"
either that statement is true or it is not, if you do not maintain that position then "correct" it...otherwise your concession is more obvious...or would it be easier for me to dig through past posts of yours and show you where you "maintain" that position?

Again we see more lying. I asked you to clarify your position, and until you do I will not answer your question here. I am not going to play your little dishonest game. Here is what I asked you to clarify

Feel free anytime to state your position. I got from your posts you believe the spiritual experience or witness can somehow impart absolute knowledge to the receiver, such that they will know with absoluteness that it is true, but you think one cannot do such with the 5 senses.

[_subgenius]

Mormons go to Mormon Church regardless of their level of belief because they are Mormons. Mormon Priesthood holders go to Mormon Priesthood lessons in the same way.

arguable...i would say that the majority of Mormons who no longer believe in God do not go to church any more. Believing in God is kind of requisite to "being" a Mormon wouldn't you say? otherwise you are just an ex-Mormon who is pretending to be a Mormon because he needs cynical anecdotes for discussion boards.
i am curious what role the alleged Mrs. Drifting has in all this....

I have never claimed to be inactive, just not believing.

these are not mutually exclusive in the Mormon church - you seem to be confusing activity with deceit...unless you are openly professing your disbelief in God...at which case you would become a not-worthy priesthood holder...etc....correct?

I'm still a Mormon Priesthood holder because I am not disfellowshipped nor excommunicated nor resigned.

[_SteelHead]

False dichotomy much?

[_Drifting]

i would say that the majority of Mormons who no longer believe in God do not go to church any more.

CFR

Believing in God is kind of requisite to "being" a Mormon wouldn't you say?

Nope, I would say Mormonism remains open to those members who have lost their testimony to still attend and participate. Would't you?

otherwise you are just an ex-Mormon who is pretending to be a Mormon because he needs cynical anecdotes for discussion boards.

Incorrect. To be an Ex-Mormon I would have to be excommunicated or resigned. As I am neither, I remain as much a Mormon as you are!

i am curious what role the alleged Mrs. Drifting has in all this....

Why?

you seem to be confusing activity with deceit...unless you are openly professing your disbelief in God...at which case you would become a not-worthy priesthood holder...etc....correct?

Can one be a worthy Priesthood holder but not a Temple Recommend holder?
Yes, I think so.

The opposite of activity is inactivity, so I think you may be the one who is confused. As for deceit - anyone who has asked me a question about my belief(s) has been given an honest answer. That includes my Bishop and my Stake President. And here I am, still an active Mormon Priesthood holder who's beliefs are reflected in the OP. Go figure...

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[_Drifting]

McTavish, did you read the OP?

Look at '6 Summary' because I think I 'fess up to most of what you posted.

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[_ludwigm]

I'm still a Mormon Priesthood holder because I am not disfellowshipped nor excommunicated nor resigned.

hypocrite

No. He is a private of the fifth column.

[_Drifting]

McTavish, did you read the OP?

Look at '6 Summary' because I think I 'fess up to most of what you posted.

Ya I got that , but it didn't awnser distinctly why you are an active member in sunday activities. So I preceded to speculate on why you do what you do basically.

If you truly think you should be there for your own betterment then by all means do so. But if your there for the detriment of others , I would keep it brief and move on. For your own benefit

I'm absolutely NOT there for the detriment of others. I have, in fact, helped others remain active. I ask my questions and get involved in discussions here to avoid being disruptive at Church (except for the odd question here or there in classes when I feel appropriate or for a laugh).