Adam Is Our God, Brigham Young, General Conf., April 1852

[_gdemetz]

Fence Sitter is correct. BY did have very strong OPINIONS about that which led him to introduce the false doctrine into the temple ceremony, unfortunately. However, as I have stated before (and Ludwigm so cleverly commented on), God always rights the ship!

[_Tobin]

That's interesting FS. You aren't going to have much to discuss with any "true" Mormon then. Since Mormonism is not about simply believing and discussing whether the historical claims or even taking the "word" of Joseph Smith and company claimed is true, but instead it is about seeking and speaking with God yourself to determine for yourself whether what they claimed is true or not. If your standard is to discount God in these matter and what we are told by the Lord, then there really is no discussion possible between a Mormon and their critics then. And all that is left is the simple request for you to come to God, seek him, speak with him, learn from him and do as he asks.

I also don't have many discussions with true Scotsmen.

Only when you are making the silly assertion that someone that is Japanese is in reality a Scotsmen. The obvious fallacy of your position is a denial that Mormonism is wrapped up in Moroni's promise - either you are Mormon because you act on that or you do not. It is part and parcel of the program.

[_Themis]

That's interesting FS. You aren't going to have much to discuss with any "true" Mormon then. Since Mormonism is not about simply believing and discussing whether the historical claims or even taking the "word" of Joseph Smith and company claimed is true, but instead it is about seeking and speaking with God yourself to determine for yourself whether what they claimed is true or not. If your standard is to discount God in these matter and what we are told by the Lord, then there really is no discussion possible between a Mormon and their critics then. And all that is left is the simple request for you to come to God, seek him, speak with him, learn from him and do as he asks.

I also don't have many discussions with true Scotsmen.

That made me

[_GoForBroke]

To those that tried to explain Bringham Young's "Adam God" theory, Joseph F. Smith rejected the doctrine in 1987

Young no doubt expressed his personal opinion or views upon the subject

If you have a problem that Bringham Young's opinions look suspiciously like continuing revelation, perhaps you refuse to believe that it was his opinion because it conveniently becomes a 'slam dunk' proof of false prophet test. Just because Bringham Young in YOUR opinion is a false prophet, that doesn't necessarily sever his successor's line of priesthood authority.

See here for an explanation of Priesthood Jumping: http://deepmormon.blogspot.com.au/2011/01/priesthood-flow-explained-some-might.html

[_Dr. Shades]

To those that tried to explain Bringham Young's "Adam God" theory, Joseph F. Smith rejected the doctrine in 1987

How could Joseph F. Smith have rejected the doctrine in 1987 when he had been dead for 69 years?

[_Tobin]

To those that tried to explain Bringham Young's "Adam God" theory, Joseph F. Smith rejected the doctrine in 1987

How could Joseph F. Smith have rejected the doctrine in 1987 when he had been dead for 69 years?

Revelation.

[_GoForBroke]

How could Joseph F. Smith have rejected the doctrine in 1987 when he had been dead for 69 years?

Revelation.

Ha ha ha. Very possible...but no. Sorry, I meant 1897.

With reference to Joseph F. Smith talking about Prest. B. Young's remarks from his 1852 discourse when Young said 'Adam being the only God with whom we have to do'

Young no doubt expressed his personal opinion or views upon the subject. What he said was not given as a revelation or commandment from the Lord. The Doctrine was never submitted to the Councils of the Priesthood not to the Church for approval or ratification and was never formally or otherwise accepted by the Church. It is therefore in no sense binding upon the Church nor upon the consciences of any of the members thereof

[_gdemetz]

In my opinion, and only my opinion, I believe that Brigham Young misunderstood what Joseph Smith taught him, and consequently did not take the matter to the Lord since he honestly believed that he had received the teaching correctly from Joseph Smith. Brigham Young once made the statement that every thing he learned, he learned from Joseph Smith. I think that Joseph taught him correctly that Heavenly Father took one of His wives to the terrestrial world, they partook of it's fruit until their bodies were charged with it, and consequently had children with physical bodies, namely Adam and Eve, instead of having spirit children. I believe that Brigham's mistake was he misinterpreted that to mean that Heavenly Father and one of His wives became mortal temporarily in order to have mortal children, and so consequently he thought wrongly that since Heavenly Father became mortal, the He and Adam were one and the same. Orson Pratt withstood him to his face over this false concept, interestingly, just as Paul withstood Peter to his face over Peter's wrong concept that the gentiles needed to be circumsized.

[_PrickKicker]

Genius the prophet misunderstood Gods doctrine... So who can we rely on?

[_Drifting]

Genius the prophet misunderstood Gods doctrine... So who can we rely on?

Well, according to the mopologists, every Prophet has misunderstood God's doctrine at some point or other, but fortunately the misunderstandings get corrected after they're dead...