Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

[_LittleNipper]

totally disagree
he/she comes across as somewhat insecure and as someone on shaky ground within him/herself. The rather transparent facade put forth is not even a clever or novel act but more of a gesture.....my experience has been to witness such behavior among young and maturing people or adults that are deeply troubled and wrestling with who they may really be.
Drifting appreciates the game for the score but not for the manner of play.

as for what Drifting believes? that is likely changing with the tides....Drifting is still more concerned with what he/she does NOT believe.

Hey subby, when do you believe the global flood mentioned in the Bible actually happened?
(I will bet that subby will not answer specifically when he believes it happened...)

Please see : http://www.creationtips.com/flooddate.html
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung ... _flood.htm

[_Franktalk]

Have you read the OP?

Also, search for a thread titled (If I recall correctly) 'Am I An Apostate' where I laid out what I do or do not believe.

I don't see a statement of your beliefs. You know the thing that determines how you see the world. Because this is the basis for how we see things. So just tell us what you believe if anything. Start with whether you believe there is a God and then expand from there. Really very simple.

What are you afraid of Drifting? I will not look up old post. Just a simple statement is all I ask. If you do not respond to questions I have to ask myself why anyone would respond to yours? You don't have white feathers do you? Cluck cluck.

[_Themis]

What are you afraid of Drifting? I will not look up old post. Just a simple statement is all I ask. If you do not respond to questions I have to ask myself why anyone would respond to yours? You don't have white feathers do you? Cluck cluck.

Why are you so afraid to answer questions he asked first. LOL

[_Drifting]

All I am asking is that Drifting give us a description of his beliefs and why he holds those beliefs. He asks us to provide detail about our beliefs all of the time. Does anyone else think that Drifting is rather silent right now? I mean he acts all sure of himself and what he believes. So why does he not lay it all out for us to see? Is he ashamed of his beliefs? Does he even know what they are? Let us have some data Drifting so we can start chatting about what you believe.

You are dodging again. He has asked you about some of the claims you have put forward. Why should he answer your question if you will not answer his. I don't recall him putting forward any beliefs in particular that should warrant you asking him about. You are just trying to avoid his questions about some things like the spiritual that you have brought up.

Bump for the evasive Franktalk...

[_LittleNipper]

Please see : http://www.creationtips.com/flooddate.html
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung ... _flood.htm

[_bcuzbcuz]

Please see : http://www.creationtips.com/flooddate.html
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung ... _flood.htm

I suggest, after you have referenced the earthage.org site, that you take a little trip using your Google Earth. Key in "Mt. St. Helens" and zoom in to ground level. Note the landscape pictures there that display the river valleys cut through the volcanic ash from 1980, by water runoff. Note the LACK of striation on the sides of the water channels. Note how all the water channels seem to be lined with collapsed, powdery, almost sand like, siding.

Now key in "Grand Canyon". Go down to ground level in any of the many areas outlined as the Grand Canyon. Take a look at the layers displayed down the sides of the valleys. Note the colour variations. Note that the layers in some cases are vast and many, many meters thick. If you need a more detailed view go into any of the many Grand Canyon sites and get a better overview of the layering in the Grand Canyon. Note how some layers are massively thick. Note also that nowhere, that is no where, do you find that the layers are covered by sand that obliterates the distinct layers.

The conclusion you will come to, if you open your mind to the possibility, is that the Grand Canyon and Mt. St. Helens, as geographic features, have nothing to do with each other. They are events with no commonality.

[_Gunnar]

I very seriously doubt that the people who do not see this as bad truly number in the billions. There is not much hope for humanity if that is true. But yes, I do think it takes a kind of mental or moral illness to not see that as bad.

There are billions of Muslims and Catholics. Currently the leadership of the Muslims have no problem with strapping bombs on children. At one time the Catholics had leaders that tortured people to death. Over time many groups have had their turn in this upside down world. Need I mention Germany? My use of billions is very appropriate. I see all humanity as a whole including back in time.

I still seriously doubt that the majority of Muslims (even a majority of their leaders) really have no problem with strapping bombs on children. I concede that there are enough of that type, however, to be of serious concern.

I don't think that the Catholic leaders who tortured people to death were less sick than anyone else who did so. If you are right that there are literally billions of people who see nothing wrong with such behavior, then I would have to conclude that the human race, as a whole, is indeed mentally ill or deranged.

[_LittleNipper]

Please see : http://www.creationtips.com/flooddate.html
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung ... _flood.htm

I suggest, after you have referenced the earthage.org site, that you take a little trip using your Google Earth. Key in "Mt. St. Helens" and zoom in to ground level. Note the landscape pictures there that display the river valleys cut through the volcanic ash from 1980, by water runoff. Note the LACK of striation on the sides of the water channels. Note how all the water channels seem to be lined with collapsed, powdery, almost sand like, siding.

Now key in "Grand Canyon". Go down to ground level in any of the many areas outlined as the Grand Canyon. Take a look at the layers displayed down the sides of the valleys. Note the colour variations. Note that the layers in some cases are vast and many, many meters thick. If you need a more detailed view go into any of the many Grand Canyon sites and get a better overview of the layering in the Grand Canyon. Note how some layers are massively thick. Note also that nowhere, that is no where, do you find that the layers are covered by sand that obliterates the distinct layers.

The conclusion you will come to, if you open your mind to the possibility, is that the Grand Canyon and Mt. St. Helens, as geographic features, have nothing to do with each other. They are events with no commonality.

Please see the following: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... d-currents
The difference is that the epic at Mt. Saint Helens was not underwater as happened with the Flood. There would be differences between the two events.

[_Drifting]

So...how does God make His divine communication clearly distinct for you?

just by you asking such a question illuminates your motive, and due to a lack of true inquiry on your part i will kindly not offer an answer.

You don't really know, do you...?

Bump for Frantalk...

Who, when asked the same question, challenged me to articulate my beliefs.
Which I did and then instead of answering the question, he ran away!

Jo, can you give him a nudge please...

[_Gunnar]

Certainly He has the capacity...but the obligation? I think you misunderstand how the scriptures and contemplative prayer reveal God's nature. But certainly you have support for such a position...or does it just "seem" right?

In case you haven't already figured it out, I am extremely skeptical about the claim that the scriptures and comtemplative prayer reveal anything about God's nature. It seems almost infinitely more likely to me that they only reveal something about the nature of those who claim to speak for God.