Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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I'm sorry, I thought you said:
Had 10 righteous people lived in the cities of the plain, God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah.

And
Had the Titanic not been so "unsinkable that God Himself couldn't sink it" ----- perhaps God would have spared the Iceberg. Say you're driving down the road and a car suddenly swerves into your lane and a truck is coming towards you. Somehow an accident is averted. Do you really believe that such things are mere coincidences. I certainly do not. I believe God had a hand in offering protection.


Oh look ^^^ YOU DID.

But now you are saying:
For one Job and his friends learned that bad things do happen to "good" people. Bad events are not always the direct result of one's own sin.


I suggest you re-read the book of Job & your posts and decide which of your beliefs to believe...

Which is it?

Does God protect YOU/the righteous or Does he cause bad things to happen to YOU/good people?
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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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LittleNipper wrote:For one Job and his friends learned that bad things do happen to "good" people. Bad events are not always the direct result of one's own sin. I suggest you re-read the book of Job.

I've read the book of Job. It tells me that God and Satan sit around in heaven and make wagers about how much damage Satan can do to a person's life before they forsake God. Doesn't seem particularly kind to me. In fact, it seems downright cruel. Letting someone's family die just to win a bet is pretty messed up, don't you think?
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Molok wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:For one Job and his friends learned that bad things do happen to "good" people. Bad events are not always the direct result of one's own sin. I suggest you re-read the book of Job.

I've read the book of Job. It tells me that God and Satan sit around in heaven and make wagers about how much damage Satan can do to a person's life before they forsake God. Doesn't seem particularly kind to me. In fact, it seems downright cruel. Letting someone's family die just to win a bet is pretty messed up, don't you think?

Everyone dies. I think it would be rather cool to have one's death recorded as part of a Bible story. It sure beats living for 100 years and to die unknown and forgotten. And one must understand that while this event actually happened, I believe that the actual interaction between Satan and God was worded so that a human might understand in simple terms.
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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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PrickKicker wrote:I'm sorry, I thought you said:
Had 10 righteous people lived in the cities of the plain, God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah.

And
Had the Titanic not been so "unsinkable that God Himself couldn't sink it" ----- perhaps God would have spared the Iceberg. Say you're driving down the road and a car suddenly swerves into your lane and a truck is coming towards you. Somehow an accident is averted. Do you really believe that such things are mere coincidences. I certainly do not. I believe God had a hand in offering protection.


Oh look ^^^ YOU DID.

But now you are saying:
For one Job and his friends learned that bad things do happen to "good" people. Bad events are not always the direct result of one's own sin.


I suggest you re-read the book of Job & your posts and decide which of your beliefs to believe...

Which is it?

Does God protect YOU/the righteous or Does he cause bad things to happen to YOU/good people?
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I believes God ALLOWS bad things to happen. And as a result accepts responsibility, because He actually could have intervined and stopped a fallen angel from inflicting such events or people from making wrong choices...
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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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You do realise that JOB is a fictional character, Right?
Or in your mind is he like the flood and literal?
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PrickKicker wrote:You do realise that JOB is a fictional character, Right?
Or in your mind is he like the flood and literal?

Believing that Jonah was a real person who lived in the belly of a big cetacean takes a lot less delusional thinking than does belief in a literal global flood from rain within the last 10,000 years.

by the way: Tarski and I had a discussion about this before Little Nipper joined the board. We pretty much agreed that putting the amount of additional water needed to cover the earth into the atmosphere would require the Earth's surface to be at a temperature well above the boiling point of water (in fact well above 400 degrees C) and would result in a pressure at the surface on the order of 90 bar (more than 1,000 psi) as I recall.

The Earth with enough water in the atmosphere to cover its surface would have an environment more like that of Venus. Noah and his family would have been boiled and crushed at the same time.

Simple physics.
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ETA: "Job" changed to "Jonah", as per the Old Testament.
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Shoot drw, I already tried simple math with these folks. It doesn't penetrate.
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PrickKicker wrote:You do realise that JOB is a fictional character, Right?
Or in your mind is he like the flood and literal?

Job is not a fictional character and the Flood did happen. In the New Testament we may read the following concerning Job: James 5:11
New International Version (NIV)
11 As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

In addition, Jesus confirmed some of the most ridiculed stories in the Old Testament. It is almost as though He went out of His way to put His stamp of approval on them. Regarding Adam And Eve, Jesus believed in the Genesis account of creation - which includes the direct creation of Adam and Eve.

And he answered and said, "Have you not read, that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said, ‘For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh'" (Matthew 19:4-5).

He used Adam and Eve as an example of God's purpose in marriage.

Cain And Abel
The account of Cain killing Abel is rejected today in many circles, but Jesus believed it actually occurred.

From the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation (Luke 11:51).

The Flood In Noah's Day
Was there really a Flood, in the days of Noah, that God sent to destroy the earth? Jesus assurred that there was. He said.

For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, they were marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so shall the coming of the Son of Man be (Matthew 24:37-39).
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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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LittleNipper wrote:
PrickKicker wrote:You do realise that JOB is a fictional character, Right?
Or in your mind is he like the flood and literal?

Job is not a fictional character and the Flood did happen.

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Re: Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

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ludwigm wrote:Yes. And I am Julius Caesar.

According to who or what?
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