Mormon gethsemane doctrine

[_RockSlider]

I know of no "living apostle" and would take the word of the Bible over any living person claiming to be such. How convenient that you can claim something to be falsely translated when it does not agree with what your claimed "apostles" say. I know of no Biblical source that says that Jesus sweat drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane. only that his sweat was "like" drops of blood falling to the ground.

Sorry Albion, I'm a bit tonge in check in a lot of what I write ... I tend to post how I understand Mormon Doctrine to be. However, I'm an apostate that has not been to church since 2002

[_Albion]

Ah, I'll know in the future. Posing a joke as a joke...very clever.

[_gentlewarrior]

Here is a powerful Apostolic witness The Purifying Power of Gethsemane
Note that he hints to our personal, going to the garden and witnessing for our self the things that happened there.

I believe this was his last GC talk right before he died.

Also, there was a Howard Hunter talk, where he basically had a near death experience and was taken in a panoramic vision to the garden to witness Christ's suffering … I was unable to find this talk on LDS.org.

GW << Is there an assurance from the Mormon beliefs that God has fully accepted them? Do they have a peace that surpasses all understanding? On what basis do they assert this assurance (If any)?

[_Albion]

I think the Mormon Gethsemane teaching, like so many other elements of Mormon doctrine and practice, serves to dissipate the all encompassing sufficiency of Christ's atonement for sin for full and complete salvation. It is an attack on the foundational Christian doctrine of the cross as the symbol of God's complete and amazing grace.

[_moksha]

This Gethsemane speculation does help establish our peculiarity at a time when such peculiarity was desirable.

[_Albion]

Christ bore the sins of the world on the cross. "And he himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by his wounds you (believers) were healed." 1 Peter 2:24 See also Ephesians 2:16 and Col.1:20 There is no Biblical evidence whatsoever that the atonement took place in the Garden of Gethsemane.

[_RockSlider]

GW << Is there an assurance from the Mormon beliefs that God has fully accepted them? Do they have a peace that surpasses all understanding? On what basis do they assert this assurance (If any)?

These men are supposed to be “Special Witnesses” of Jesus Christ. This meaning that they have personally been ministered to by Jesus Christ in person. These men are supposed to Prophets, Seers and Revelators and the Gospel Doctrines are supposed to be given to them, via revelation from Jesus Christ, how is held to be the head of the Church, with the GA’s simply being his mouth piece.

In the day (say up through the 90’s) they would occasionally testify of their special witness, like the BRM and Hunter talks I’ve mentioned above. Anymore, you don't see this happen.

As for the general populace believing on their words (peace that surpassed all understanding), yes the people would testify that this is the case. However those that have actually experienced the piece to which I think you refer to, would likely be minimal.

We are raised from babies to trust, honor and obey these men above all else in life. Even though now they no longer testify publicly of their special witness.

[_RockSlider]

I think the Mormon Gethsemane teaching, like so many other elements of Mormon doctrine and practice, serves to dissipate the all encompassing sufficiency of Christ's atonement for sin for full and complete salvation. It is an attack on the foundational Christian doctrine of the cross as the symbol of God's complete and amazing grace.

Mormons have been raised with a total aversion to the cross. If one was to wear a cross to a meeting, all eyes would be upon them ... they would be shunned.

Mormons like to say its because its a symbol of his death and hence a negative thing, and they like to think in the positive, that Christ lives ....

hey just saying what they say

[_Albion]

Shunning? You really think average Mormons would shun someone for wearing a cross? I find that heard to believe and outside my experience of Mormonism in Utah. To Christians the cross is seen as the symbol of the price of their salvation where God amazing grace was exemplified and victory over sin and death was accomplished. A symbol of death and suffering becomes a symbol of life and triumph.

[_RockSlider]

Shunning? You really think average Mormons would shun someone for wearing a cross? I find that heard to believe and outside my experience of Mormonism in Utah. To Christians the cross is seen as the symbol of the price of their salvation where God amazing grace was exemplified and victory over sin and death was accomplished. A symbol of death and suffering becomes a symbol of life and triumph.

Well, ok I don't think they would shun others who are non-mormon, but say your average TBM all of a sudden showed up wiht a cross on, yes eyebrows would be raised. To the average "Chapel Mormon" (orthodox Mormon), you will never see a cross in their homes or in their jewelry. Its very taboo.