The Term Anti-Mormon

[_Quasimodo]

I will stand against your bigotry in contempt of it until my dying breath!

How soon do you think that might be? (Just kidding).

[_ldsfaqs]

Not true at all. Mormons do not find a criticism to be antimormon.

In order for this post to work, you're going to have to erase my memory of dozens, if not hundreds, of Mormons, including several posters here, defining antiMormon in terms of criticism of the LDS Church.

Let me know when you have succeeded.

The "context" of his words is meaning that simple "disagreeing" i.e. a critical word itself is not anti-mormon.

Anti-mormonism is degrading unfairly and falsely, misrepresenting, lying, perverting, etc.

Let me put it this way. If I said I disagee with "traditional" Christianity's view that the Trinity is actually only One God, not actually three and also one as a Godhead, that's a "critisism".

That's not anti-christian.

Now, if I do what Islam does and state that Christianity actually believes in a Plurality of Gods, three rather than one, i.e. Monotheistic, because they believe in three persons who are God thus actually three Gods, then that's being anti-christian. Why? Because it misrepresents what they actually believe. They say other things also when would be degrading, lying, etc.

That is anti-christian....

Can you see the difference between simple criticism and bigotry by these two examples???

[_EAllusion]

I'd further add that almost all LDS apologetic websites I'm familiar with use the term "anti-Mormon" and "critical" or "critic" interchangeably. FAIRwiki defines it as mere opposition to Mormons, of which any vocal criticism would count. Many of those same websites play the same equivocation with the meaning more akin to "bigot" I mentioned above, but that's a separate issue.

[_ldsfaqs]

Let me make it even more clear.....

Most Mormons could care less if people want to think we are going to hell, of the devil, and on and on. While such views would cross the line a bit, and even be anti-mormon.

But we don't care about that.....

What we consider anti-mormon is the lying, the misrepresenting, the unfairly and falsely degrading, etc.

Joseph was a pedophile
The Church built a mall
Mormonism's dislike of the cross is because of conflicts with other religions rather than theological based.
Blacks were denied the Priesthood

These are ALL (and 100's more anti-mormons believe) either lies or misrepresentations of the actual facts.

See, we don't care as much if people criticism or disagree..... We simply don't appreciate the LYING while doing it, the strawmen created to then attack.

[Guest]

Absolutely NOT..... We are not "directly" against anyone.

First vision?
Teachings of the LDS church?
60,000 missionaries as we type?

What we are talking about here is bigotry, and active dissent against others. Mormonism has no such thing.

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If I will Pray with you

Thanks!
I would pray with you too!

how can you say I OR my religion is "against" your religion or ANY other religion???

First, as I thought I made clear in a previous post to you, I do not suggest that any individual Mormon does anything. Mormonism, on the other hand, is clearly against all other religions and has been so from the very origins.

I don't follow people

I simply have seen you for some time at MADB and here, and I see you cheer various anti-mormon claims here. I don't need to nit-pick you, unless you are going to "deny" you don't cheer many of the anti-mormon claims said here???

Yes, I deny "cheering" these various anti-Mormon claims, so please, call me out.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_ldsfaqs]

Yes it does..... Since most posts here ARE anti-mormon, and he comes here and cheers many of them on, then clearly some of his views can be considered "anti-mormon". Why point out specific examples when almost any thread he's commented on here is an example???

Why Me posted wisely...

In other words you have no examples to prove your accusation.

Unlike you people I don't have the need to "personally" attack people making an issue of them to make myself feel better.

I wasn't an "accusation" it was an observation.
He's already stated he's critical of Mormonism, so why are you arguing the obvious???
Even well meaning critics often swallow the party line, even those in the faith such as Consigleri go anti-mormon often. I've pointed out many of his errors, mainly on MADB however when he was there. So, why's it so hard to believe a more respectful critic especially when posting here can't "ever" embrace a common anti-mormon claim the REST OF YOU make???

Please.... grow up.

[Guest]

Sidney Rigdon's 4th of July speech calling for the extermination of those opposed to Mormonism a full 3 months BEFORE the Missouri extermination order might have had something to do with it don't you think?

Bigoted? Pot meet kettle.

Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?

I love CONTEXT, how come you don't love CONTEXT???

His speech was an angry and legitimate response to YOUR KINDS BIGOTRY and desires to "exterminate" Mormons.

Do you really consider standing up for ones self, is itself "bigotry"?
I guess you must think Israel also is the "bad guy" for standing against Islamic extremism and desires to exterminate them???

Heaven forbid a Mormon or an Israeli gives and angry response to bigotry then or today!!! :(

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Rigdon's July 4th oration was a speech delivered by Mormon leader Sidney Rigdon during a 4th of July celebration in Far West, Missouri in 1838. Rigdon was first counselor to, and often spokesman for, Joseph Smith Jr..

The oration was meant as a Mormon "declaration of independence" against "mobocrats" and Anti-Mormon persecution. In his speech, Rigdon declared:

We take God and all the holy angels to witness this day, that we warn all men in the name of Jesus Christ, to come on us no more forever. For from this hour, we will bear it no more, our rights shall no more be trampled on with impunity. The man or the set of men, who attempts it, does it at the expense of their lives. And that mob that comes on us to disturb us; it shall be between us and them a war of extermination; for we will follow them till the last drop of their blood is spilled, or else they will have to exterminate us: for we will carry the seat of war to their own houses, and their own families, and one party or the other shall be utterly destroyed.—Remember it then all MEN.

We will never be the aggressors, we will infringe on the rights of no people; but shall stand for our own until death. We claim our own rights, and are willing that all others shall enjoy theirs.
No man shall be at liberty to come into our streets, to threaten us with mobs, for if he does, he shall atone for it before he leaves the place, neither shall he be at liberty, to vilify and slander any of us, for suffer it we will not in this place.

The speech alarmed local non-Mormons attending the celebration. Later, the church presidency published the July 4th Oration, causing considerable agitation and further stoking anti-Mormon sentiment throughout northwestern Missouri. Many contemporaries and later historians cite the July 4th Oration as a contributing factor to the 1838 Mormon War.
The July 4th Oration is often confused with the Salt Sermon.

My kind..........LOL.......you don't know a thing about me, so you might want to reign your little tough guy, undermedicated attitude in, and put on some big boy pants.

Mormons moved into areas, and started taking over, bullying (although discreetly) their way into positions of power, and the people pushed back.

Also, when they caused problems they couldn't fix, the early Mormons high tailed it out of places, and blamed it on persecution.

Let's also not forget how smith and company over (often illegaly)used Habeous Corpus to get their way.

Can you blame the non Mormons in the crowd for being concerned, and agitated after hearing a speech like that? Get real.

Your own copy paste shows the Mormons of the time knew what they were doing, and incited the anger toward them. Yet none take responsibility for it.

Shalom

[_zeezrom]

Am I an Anti-Mormon?

What say you?

One time, you referred to Joseph Smith Jr. as "Mr. Smith". That sounded a little "anti" to me.

[_Ceeboo]

Am I an Anti-Mormon?

What say you?

One time, you referred to Joseph Smith Jr. as "Mr. Smith". That sounded a little "anti" to me.

Gotta LOVE the Zeezer!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_hobo1512]

Unlike you people I don't have the need to "personally" attack people making an issue of them to make myself feel better.

I wasn't an "accusation" it was an observation.
He's already stated he's critical of Mormonism, so why are you arguing the obvious???
Even well meaning critics often swallow the party line, even those in the faith such as Consigleri go anti-mormon often. I've pointed out many of his errors, mainly on MADB however when he was there. So, why's it so hard to believe a more respectful critic especially when posting here can't "ever" embrace a common anti-mormon claim the REST OF YOU make???

Please.... grow up.

Oh, so "your kind" and "you people" are terms of endearment?

Got it

You also said, " I don't have the need to "personally" attack people making an issue of them" , then immediately go into "ven those in the faith such as Consigleri go anti-mormon often"

Little conflicting don't you think?