The Term Anti-Mormon

[_why me]

Mormons moved into areas, and started taking over, bullying (although discreetly) their way into positions of power, and the people pushed back.

Also, when they caused problems they couldn't fix, the early Mormons high tailed it out of places, and blamed it on persecution.

Let's also not forget how smith and company over (often illegaly)used Habeous Corpus to get their way.

Can you blame the non Mormons in the crowd for being concerned, and agitated after hearing a speech like that? Get real.

Your own copy paste shows the Mormons of the time knew what they were doing, and incited the anger toward them. Yet none take responsibility for it.

Shalom

Put Jews in the place of Mormons and smith and co. and we have a very bigoted piece of writing.

[_hobo1512]

Mormons moved into areas, and started taking over, bullying (although discreetly) their way into positions of power, and the people pushed back.

Also, when they caused problems they couldn't fix, the early Mormons high tailed it out of places, and blamed it on persecution.

Let's also not forget how smith and company over (often illegaly)used Habeous Corpus to get their way.

Can you blame the non Mormons in the crowd for being concerned, and agitated after hearing a speech like that? Get real.

Your own copy paste shows the Mormons of the time knew what they were doing, and incited the anger toward them. Yet none take responsibility for it.

Shalom

Put Jews in the place of Mormons and smith and co. and we have a very bigoted piece of writing.

But they aren't in there now are they?

Want to talk about bigoted writing? We can look at your posting history here, and other forums.

Careful now, not sure you want to open that can of worms.

Although, you suggesting Jews be inserted is a very telling sign of how you feel about the Jewish people.

Veiled bigotry is worse than a person who comes right out and states it. At least with a vocal/direct bigot, you know where they stand.

[_moksha]

In a world of competing Christians divisions, the use of the word anti would be misleading if used solely in the sense of vicious discrimination against a group of people. Being anti-catholic, anti-mormon or even anti-MissouriSynodLutheran would represent backbiting at the religion itself.

If Pahoran were to announce himself as an anti-snake handler, it would denote his opposition to the handling of snakes in a religious ceremony, rather than the snakes themselves. (The latter stems from a professional courtesy. )

[_MrStakhanovite]

Put Jews in the place of Mormons and smith and co. and we have a very bigoted piece of writing.

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

[_Shiloh]

First vision?
Teachings of the LDS church?
60,000 missionaries as we type?

Hello Mr. Boo. I haven't read through the entire thread so forgive me if I'm repeating something stated earlier.

If we take the 1838 FV account at face value we see a very stern condemnation of *creeds.* Those ministers who taught those creeds drew near to God but their hearts were far from him because the creeds prevented true communion. That is how I've always read the FV account, anyway. The "corruption" flowed from the faulty creeds. If you look at how Joseph Smith interacted with those of other faiths -- especially during the Nauvoo years -- I think it would hard to make a case that Joseph Smith was opposed any specific organized religion. Rather, he took issues with creedal doctrine. Just semantics? Yes and no.

Mormons and Catholics are similar in that we don't define ourselves by what we are not. Rather, we both make the case for who we believe we are. The Pope has reitterated that the Catholic Church is the one-true-church. Great. So do the Mormons.

Let me put it this way: when I was growing up I never went to a Wednesday YM/YW activity to be taught why another religion was false. The EV church down the street did a "How to witness to your Mormon friends" seminar about twice a year. They also held a session on Catholics. :) These clowns are anti-Mormon AND anti-Catholic.

Believing Catholics aren't anti-Mormon and believing Mormons aren't anti-Catholic -- by default. I'm sure we can find some zealots out there but in my experience, neither Catholics nor Mormons waste must time fighting each other.

First, as I thought I made clear in a previous post to you, I do not suggest that any individual Mormon does anything. Mormonism, on the other hand, is clearly against all other religions and has been so from the very origins.

Given Joseph Smith's ecumenical streak I very much disagree with this assessment.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

[_hobo1512]

Why Me posted wisely...

So, why me calling another site "Catholic taliban" is ok with you, and isn't anti-Catholic?

Are you supporting a double standard here?

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Shiloh

First, I appreciate the kind and warm manner you have chosen to reply to me. I will do my very best to return this same courtesy to you.

Hello Mr. Boo. I haven't read through the entire thread so forgive me if I'm repeating something stated earlier.

If we take the 1838 FV account at face value we see a very stern condemnation of *creeds.* Those ministers who taught those creeds drew near to God but their hearts were far from him because the creeds prevented true communion. That is how I've always read the FV account, anyway. The "corruption" flowed from the faulty creeds. If you look at how Joseph Smith interacted with those of other faiths -- especially during the Nauvoo years -- I think it would hard to make a case that Joseph Smith was opposed any specific organized religion. Rather, he took issues with creedal doctrine. Just semantics? Yes and no.

Mormons and Catholics are similar in that we don't define ourselves by what we are not. Rather, we both make the case for who we believe we are. The Pope has reitterated that the Catholic Church is the one-true-church. Great. So do the Mormons.

Let me put it this way: when I was growing up I never went to a Wednesday YM/YW activity to be taught why another religion was false. The EV church down the street did a "How to witness to your Mormon friends" seminar about twice a year. They also held a session on Catholics. :) These clowns are anti-Mormon AND anti-Catholic.

Believing Catholics aren't anti-Mormon and believing Mormons aren't anti-Catholic -- by default. I'm sure we can find some zealots out there but in my experience, neither Catholics nor Mormons waste must time fighting each other.

If you don't mind, I would like to shelf the Mormon/Catholic discussion. The purpose of this thread was an attempt for me to get a deeper understanding/perspective as to what an anti-Mormon is and what it really means to be one (I am still not sure if I am one or not?). I would rather not muddy the waters with discussions on Catholicism. If you wanted to start another thread to discuss this, I would be happy to offer my thoughts on the topic. I hope that seems fair.

Given Joseph Smith's ecumenical streak I very much disagree with this assessment.

In my mind, this directly speaks to the OP.
If you're willing, I would like to drill down on your above comment some more.

Ecumenical = Promoting of fostering Christian unity throughout the world.

You offer that that Mr. Smith possesed an "ecumenical streak".
Can you elaborate on this?

In an effort to be transparent and fair with you, I do not believe Mr. Smith encouraged, proposed, or taught "Christian unity" at all. It is my opinion that he developed and spread an entirely new set of beliefs about Jesus Christ that did not (and do not) reflect the basic and core beliefs of Christianity.

Thanks for the discussion!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_why me]

Put Jews in the place of Mormons and smith and co. and we have a very bigoted piece of writing.

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Jews moved into areas, and started taking over, bullying (although discreetly) their way into positions of power, and the people pushed back.

Also, when they caused problems they couldn't fix, the early Jews high tailed it out of places, and blamed it on persecution.

Let's also not forget how Jews over (often illegaly)used Habeous Corpus to get their way.

Can you blame the non jews in the crowd for being concerned, and agitated after hearing a speech like that? Get real.

Shalom


How does that sound? Many a nazi said many things about the jews.

[_why me]

If you don't mind, I would like to shelf the Mormon/Catholic discussion. The purpose of this thread was an attempt for me to get a deeper understanding/perspective as to what an anti-Mormon is and what it really means to be one (I am still not sure if I am one or not?).

Peace,
Ceeboo

what is your definition of an anti catholic? The definition of an antimormon would be the same.