The Term Anti-Mormon

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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon

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Brad Hudson wrote:I was also born and raised LDS, and it took me quite a while after I left Mormonism to understand how mainstream Catholics and Protestants tended to view their religion. Although most view their religion as an important influence on who they are, I find they are more likely to be critical of their own religion when compared to most Mormons and to be far less offended by criticism of their religion than most Mormons. in my opinion, it's a very different mindset, and hard to envision by most BIC Mormons I've encountered.


Yup. It comes from being taught that the church and its leaders are always right and that as members we have no legitimate right to say no or criticize. Then douchebags like Stephen Smoot tell us we are holding the church and its leaders to an unrealistically high standard. No crap.
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why me wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:
I was also born and raised LDS, and it took me quite a while after I left Mormonism to understand how mainstream Catholics and Protestants tended to view their religion. Although most view their religion as an important influence on who they are, I find they are more likely to be critical of their own religion when compared to most Mormons and to be far less offended by criticism of their religion than most Mormons. in my opinion, it's a very different mindset, and hard to envision by most BIC Mormons I've encountered.


Well, I can't say that this is true for devout catholics. And especially not for taliban catholics on CAF who view their faith as the absolute truth and who cannot tolerate any criticism of the faith. Those catholics who are critical of their faith are most likely not good catholics.


I'm not in a position to judge who is a "good" Catholic and who is not. But I've known folks that I would consider to be devout Catholics who, nevertheless, don't seem to consider criticism of their religion as criticism of themselves in a way that I've seen many LDS do.
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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon

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Brad Hudson wrote:
But I've known folks that I would consider to be devout Catholics who, nevertheless, don't seem to consider criticism of their religion as criticism of themselves in a way that I've seen many LDS do.



I suppose that if we go back a few centuries we many find it a little differently with the catholics. They may have been more sensitive. The LDS faith is not that very old and the LDS faith has experienced a lot of persecution in the early days. And it still does experience a lot of persecution from other christian groups. Maybe this is why Mormons are rather sensitive. It is not uncommon to hear how the LDS faith is a cult, even on this board, it is said.

There needs to be an understanding just where LDS sensitivity comes from when their faith is the topic of discussion in a negative way.
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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon

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why me wrote:
There needs to be an understanding just where LDS sensitivity comes from when their faith is the topic of discussion in a negative way.


Or is it that there "needs to be" less sensitivity by LDS when their religion is criticized? :wink:
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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon

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why me wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:
I was also born and raised LDS, and it took me quite a while after I left Mormonism to understand how mainstream Catholics and Protestants tended to view their religion. Although most view their religion as an important influence on who they are, I find they are more likely to be critical of their own religion when compared to most Mormons and to be far less offended by criticism of their religion than most Mormons. in my opinion, it's a very different mindset, and hard to envision by most BIC Mormons I've encountered.


Well, I can't say that this is true for devout catholics. And especially not for taliban catholics on CAF who view their faith as the absolute truth and who cannot tolerate any criticism of the faith. Those catholics who are critical of their faith are most likely not good catholics.

Pot meet kettle.

You exhibit your anti-Catholic tendencies with every post. Your constant referral to CAF as the catholic taliban simply shows that bias, and the fact that you cannot be taken seriously.

You attempt to derail almost every thread you participate in with either Catholic taliban, or light cotton.

You have to be one of the biggest hypocrites around, since you've stated you receive communion in a Catholic Church, and then sacrament at the Mormon. Even though teachings of both forbid it. In case you doubt that, you can check out the thread over at MAD. or check the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

As far as "taliban catholics" that think their faith is the absolute truth, and cannot tolerate any criticism, try checking out the posters at MAD. The attacks and mocking that posters get away with over there is horrendous. I guess the likes of DCP, pahoran, and a few others could be termed Mormon taliban.

So here's the deal. Pull the plank out of your eye before you talk about the splinter in anothers.

You are Anti-Catholic, Anti-Semetic, and a hypocrite.

Don't you get tired of all of that?
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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon

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why me wrote:There needs to be an understanding just where LDS sensitivity comes from when their faith is the topic of discussion in a negative way.

Would that apply to Catholics too? You never showed that compassion here, or at CAF.

Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?
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DISCLAIMER (For My Fellow MDB Member Honorentheos)

The following Ceeboo post is only the opinion of Ceeboo.
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I do not like Mormonism.
I do like people (including Mormons and atheists)

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Hi Brad :smile:

Brad Hudson wrote:
What specifically about Mormonism do you think leads former Mormons to become atheists?


Although I do not suggest that this is true for all former Mormons who become atheist, I am completely convinced that the following is true for at least some former Mormons who become atheist.

A human being places enormous faith/effort/time/emotion/belief/energy/family/money/etc in the claims and institution of Mormonsim. They find out certain things that might change some/all of this. They will be very hard pressed to believe or have faith in any religion (or any God) again.

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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon

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Ceeboo wrote:
Although I do not suggest that this is true for all former Mormons who become atheist, I am completely convinced that the following is true for at least some former Mormons who become atheist.

A human being places enormous faith/effort/time/emotion/belief/energy/family/money/etc in the claims and institution of Mormonsim. They find out certain things that might change some/all of this. They will be very hard pressed to believe or have faith in any religion (or any God) again.

Peace,
Ceeboo


Hi, Bud!

I think this is true for many exmos. Once fooled...

Who can blame them?

I think, once someone has realized that the organized religion they have built their entire lives on has been a walk down the garden path, they are less willing to put their faith in another organized religion.

That only leaves them with three choices.

Go back. That is usually a non-starter.

Lose faith in all religious dogma. That is the most common result.

Become 'spiritual' in their views of an afterlife. They become, like me, lost in the vaugeries of agnosticism.
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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon

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Ceeboo wrote:A human being places enormous faith/effort/time/emotion/belief/energy/family/money/etc in the claims and institution of Mormonsim. They find out certain things that might change some/all of this. They will be very hard pressed to believe or have faith in any religion (or any God) again.

Peace,
Ceeboo


I think it is more of a case where even though an Ex or apostate Mormon has abandoned the faith, he still thinks of God as defined by Mormonism. So in rejecting the faith he also rejects God.
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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon

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honorentheos wrote:Then I'd feel safe in saying you are anti-Mormon.


So be honest here honor ... from an Chapel Mormons point of view, does this mean that Ceeboo is under Satanic influences?

I don't mean to trigger off some Chapel Mormon debate and only use that term to pin point the question to a member that has not interacted with various online Mormon boards, but are going on what they have been taught in weekly Church meetings all of their lives.
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