LittleNipper wrote:Are children entirely innocent? King David didn't think so. Talk to some school teachers and I will be willing to say the degree of sin is much less but they learn quick. When exactly did you take up lying, cheating, stealing, calling people names, being insulting, a gossip, being self-absorbed, smoking, drinking and thinking sex was fort sport?
according to catholic doctrine, a child is sinful at conception...for just as its body is descended from Adam, so is its soul...and thus is born with the original sin....obviously Mormons consider differently....a child may be innocent, at least unaccountable, prior to the age of eight (and let us not diverge on the significance of eight, because it is throughout human history)....but though God may forsake the body at any given time, the spirit is altogether different...He is not an unjust being, for it is impossible for Him to break the law of justice...people who cry out about the "innocent" children have little understanding of God and His character...they are bound to all things temporal.....1 Cor 2:11 - 14 and John 14:17
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
I don't mind answering this, but you are still avoiding telling us why God should be brought up in a science class discussing things like gravity or dark matter. Now when we say bringing up God in science or a science class it means in relation to the scientific subject. We should not bring up anything that does not relate or can be shown to relate to the scientific subject. God is not brought up for the same reasons other Gods, Santa, Satan, Xenu, Bigfoot, etc are not brought up. They have nothing to do with it, or put another way, they don't make any difference to the subject in any way. Saying Xenu did it means nothing since you cannot show Xenu or God exist, and then show how they are involved.
Separation of State and Church doesn't seem a very good reason to exclude views, values, or opinions.
That is not really the issue, and they are free outside of class to provide any opinion they like. I doubt you would want Islamic ideas being taught and showing up on an exam in your physics class.
I don't mind answering this, but you are still avoiding telling us why God should be brought up in a science class discussing things like gravity or dark matter. Now when we say bringing up God in science or a science class it means in relation to the scientific subject. We should not bring up anything that does not relate or can be shown to relate to the scientific subject. God is not brought up for the same reasons other Gods, Santa, Satan, Xenu, Bigfoot, etc are not brought up. They have nothing to do with it, or put another way, they don't make any difference to the subject in any way. Saying Xenu did it means nothing since you cannot show Xenu or God exist, and then show how they are involved.
Separation of State and Church doesn't seem a very good reason to exclude views, values, or opinions.
That is not really the issue, and they are free outside of class to provide any opinion they like. I doubt you would want Islamic ideas being taught and showing up on an exam in your physics class.
Since God created the entire Universe in 6 days, it would make an entire difference as to how we sould understand things such as "dark matter & gravity." I do agree with you that separation of views due to interpretation of the law is not the correct way to educate students.
LittleNipper wrote:Since God created the entire Universe in 6 days, it would make an entire difference as to how we sould understand things such as "dark matter & gravity."
These are assertions without evidence. Science needs evidence before it can say God did it, or even that God exists. This is why God is not mentioned, and the reason Xenu, Santa, Bigfoot, or any number of claims without evidence are not mentioned. Science likes to deal with evidence, and it would be nice if you did as well when discussing these issues.
LittleNipper wrote:Since God created the entire Universe in 6 days, it would make an entire difference as to how we sould understand things such as "dark matter & gravity."
Nipper:
Those who have studied true ancient scripture will realize the Bible's conception of the earth is deeply flawed. In reality, the earth is a flat disc balanced on the backs of four elephants, who in turn are perched upon a great turtle named A'Tuin, who swims eternally through the depths of the cosmos. The great flood, as described in your Bible, cannot possibly have happened, because all that water would have simply flowed off the edge of the great disc that is the earth.
So say the Sacred Scrolls. Therefore it must be true.
M'narrah.
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LittleNipper wrote:Since God created the entire Universe in 6 days, it would make an entire difference as to how we sould understand things such as "dark matter & gravity."
Nipper:
Those who have studied true ancient scripture will realize the Bible's conception of the earth is deeply flawed. In reality, the earth is a flat disc balanced on the backs of four elephants, who in turn are perched upon a great turtle named A'Tuin, who swims eternally through the depths of the cosmos. The great flood, as described in your Bible, cannot possibly have happened, because all that water would have simply flowed off the edge of the great disc that is the earth.
So say the Sacred Scrolls. Therefore it must be true.
M'narrah.
So there's just one turtle? Not turtles all the way down?
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
The Erotic Apologist wrote:So say the Sacred Scrolls.
I usually just refer to them as "Terry Pratchett novels."
Shhhh! The Sacred Scrolls are Sacred and not to be discussed. Except for TEA.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
