RockSlider wrote:Big question is does the Father have a belly button and foreskin?
No to both.* Neither male nipples or a scrotum sac. God is not a sexual being. He came with no beginning and has no end, having neither father nor mother. (no foreskin because there would be no head to cover since he is not a sexual being.) Christ being a clone of the body of the Father would only have the belly button. He retained his scars because he did not have a perfect resurrection for his body born of a mother is not intended for eternal use. I could say more and carry the point to a transubstantiation when the body Jesus took back is disposed of. He will return to where he was before, even sitting upon the very throne of power when all things are made new and the three Gods move on their one eternal round of a course.
*conjecture from putting two and two together in a non-sexual way.
Well, that is sort of right. I certainly don't believe God the Father is or was a human being. However, Joseph Smith seems to disagree with your assertion about God. God the Father, according to Joseph Smith, was once a mortal being and shared that nature with us as well as the son. If we apply what we understand about the age of the world (some 4billion + years), God the Father must have arisen on a planet before that time and done what Jesus did (if we believe Joseph Smith). Your assertion that God the Father is totally unlike us and dissimilar to Christ's existence as well is not based in Mormonism. Unfortunately, many Mormons have taken this too far and stated that God the Father was once a man like us, instead of a being like Jesus Christ. I very seriously doubt that. He did exist on a life-bearing planet somewhat like Earth and suffered for the sins of his generation just as Christ did. He sought to teach them a "better" way to exist and overcame death at some point and ultimately saved many of his fellow beings, just as Christ did. I suspect both Jesus and God the Father, in their "constucted" eternal forms, bear a similarity to what their natural forms once were. So in answer to the question, Jesus has both a belly button and removed foreskin and since God the Father is of alien origins, I have no idea what naturally occuring scars would be represented in his eternal forum.
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And a great training regimen for, you know, the final showdown:
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Nightlion wrote:[Well, that is sort of right. I certainly don't believe God the Father is or was a human being. However, Joseph Smith seems to disagree with your assertion about God. God the Father, according to Joseph Smith, was once a mortal being and shared that nature with us as well as the son. If we apply what we understand about the age of the world (some 4billion + years), God the Father must have arisen on a planet before that time and done what Jesus did (if we believe Joseph Smith). Your assertion that God the Father is totally unlike us and dissimilar to Christ's existence as well is not based in Mormonism. Unfortunately, many Mormons have taken this too far and stated that God the Father was once a man like us, instead of a being like Jesus Christ. I very seriously doubt that. He did exist on a life-bearing planet somewhat like Earth and suffered for the sins of his generation just as Christ did. He sought to teach them a "better" way to exist and overcame death at some point and ultimately saved many of his fellow beings, just as Christ did. I suspect both Jesus and God the Father, in their "constucted" eternal forms, bear a similarity to what their natural forms once were. So in answer to the question, Jesus has both a belly button and removed foreskin and since God the Father is of alien origins, I have no idea what naturally occuring scars would be represented in his eternal forum.
Christians do not believe God was ever anything but God. We do believe Jesus Christ came into this world in human form, but He had previously been always God. One with the Holy Father and the Holy Spirit. He was not a "Created being." There are no other gods living and there never were. There has always only been one GOD in three persons.
LittleNipper wrote:There are no other gods living and there never were. There has always only been one GOD in three persons.
Great. Show me some robust, reliable, and repeatable evidence that this is the case and I'll sign up. Until then, I see no reason why I should invest belief in A) a supernatural, magical worldview, and B) supernatural beings with super powers.
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LittleNipper wrote:There are no other gods living and there never were. There has always only been one GOD in three persons.
Great. Show me some robust, reliable, and repeatable evidence that this is the case and I'll sign up. Until then, I see no reason why I should invest belief in A) a supernatural, magical worldview, and B) supernatural beings with super powers.
I can show you the Bible and show how prophesy has been fulfilled in unexplainable ways. I can certainly speak of events in my own life that again seem unexplainable. Are such things repeatable? My guess is not really. God give us all unexplainable opportunities. It is for us to ask God to help turn around our unbelief.
LittleNipper wrote:I can show you the Bible and show how prophesy has been fulfilled in unexplainable ways. I can certainly speak of events in my own life that again seem unexplainable. Are such things repeatable? My guess is not really. God give us all unexplainable opportunities. It is for us to ask God to help turn around our unbelief.
The problem with personal spiritual experiences is that they mean so much to the people that have them and so little to everybody else. Take Tobin for example. He is sure that he had some life changing event and loves to tell people about it yet no one takes it seriously.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
LittleNipper wrote:I can show you the Bible and show how prophesy has been fulfilled in unexplainable ways. I can certainly speak of events in my own life that again seem unexplainable. Are such things repeatable? My guess is not really. God give us all unexplainable opportunities. It is for us to ask God to help turn around our unbelief.
The problem with personal spiritual experiences is that they mean so much to the people that have them and so little to everybody else. Take Tobin for example. He is sure that he had some life changing event and loves to tell people about it yet no one takes it seriously.
Actually, I love to tell you to get your own experiences with God. So far to no effect in your case.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Dude, I spent years trying to have my own expireince with God. Long before I met you. It is not like I just woke up one day and decided I didn't believe anymore.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
son of Ishmael wrote:Dude, I spent years trying to have my own expireince with God. Long before I met you. It is not like I just woke up one day and decided I didn't believe anymore.
And as I've explained several times to you, it isn't a matter of how much or how long you try or wish for this. It is a matter of who and what you are. Either you follow God and pursue that with a single purpose no matter what and not matter how long it takes OR you do not. God will answer you when God decides to do so. You can not command God or make God answer you.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
son of Ishmael wrote:Dude, I spent years trying to have my own expireince with God. Long before I met you. It is not like I just woke up one day and decided I didn't believe anymore.
And as I've explained several times to you, it isn't a matter of how much or how long you try or wish for this. It is a matter of who and what you are. Either you follow God and pursue that with a single purpose no matter what and not matter how long it takes OR you do not. God will answer you when God decides to do so. You can not command God or make God answer you.
"God will answer you when God decides to do so."
So in other words, God is kind of a dick.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
