Former Stake President managing MormonThink

[_Yahoo Bot]

Well, there is precedent that the church has in the past tried to influence government officials:

Well, of course. Either Joseph Smith or Orson Pratt wrote an extensive letter to Queen Victoria. And I suppose that a Mormon politician is not likely to refuse an audience with an Mormon apostle. Mormon general authorities, as my blog points out, have been lobbying Washington since the 1850s.

I'm also pretty sure that Mormon apostles have been lobbying the PRChina.

[_son of Ishmael]

Zeezrom, I guess our bet is on. I said that the Church would not try to discipline the next editor of MormonThink and you said they would. Now we shall see. I hope you win, MT will enjoy the publicity.

I thought from his Podcast that he has already resigned from the Church

[_Yahoo Bot]

I thought from his Podcast that he has already resigned from the Church

He did. A win win for all concerned. He gets to claim he left on his own terms. Under church procedure, resignation while discipline is pending is even more effective than going through the discipline process, because he must go through the contemplated discipline in the future if he wants back, but he's out nonetheless.

Of course, it isn't much of a win for Mr. Twede, as he has staked out his position outside the Lord's church. In hell, perhaps one could say.

[_Res Ipsa]

Zeezrom, I guess our bet is on. I said that the Church would not try to discipline the next editor of MormonThink and you said they would. Now we shall see. I hope you win, MT will enjoy the publicity.

I thought from his Podcast that he has already resigned from the Church

I haven't listened to the podcast, but I've never heard he resigned. There's no mention of it on his webpage. http://mormonthink.com/tomphillips.htm If I recall correctly, he posted at RfM during the whole Twede controversy asking why the church was picking on David and not going after him.

[_Res Ipsa]

I thought from his Podcast that he has already resigned from the Church

He did. A win win for all concerned. He gets to claim he left on his own terms. Under church procedure, resignation while discipline is pending is even more effective than going through the discipline process, because he must go through the contemplated discipline in the future if he wants back, but he's out nonetheless.

Of course, it isn't much of a win for Mr. Twede, as he has staked out his position outside the Lord's church. In hell, perhaps one could say.

Ah, confusion. The "bet" is about the next editor after Twede, which is Phillips.

[_hobo1512]

(Keeping in mind that the Pope has threatened to excommunicate politicians who vote in support of abortion or capital punishment.)

1. It is being done out in the open, and not hiding anything. That can't be said for the way the Mormon church does/has done things. Remember the whole Prop 8 thing that the Mormon church got busted on?

2. The Pope doesn't have to excommunicate them, they do it themselves. It is called Latae Sententiae.

Going back to #1, I believe the Bishops have stated that these politicians (or anyone else in the same boat) "Do not present themselves for Holy Communion."

Catholics don't have to show a membership card, or a recommend in order to receive Holy Communion.

Just sayin..

[_Yahoo Bot]

(Keeping in mind that the Pope has threatened to excommunicate politicians who vote in support of abortion or capital punishment.)

1. It is being done out in the open, and not hiding anything. That can't be said for the way the Mormon church does/has done things. Remember the whole Prop 8 thing that the Mormon church got busted on?

2. The Pope doesn't have to excommunicate them, they do it themselves. It is called Latae Sententiae.

Going back to #1, I believe the Bishops have stated that these politicians (or anyone else in the same boat) "Do not present themselves for Holy Communion."

Catholics don't have to show a membership card, or a recommend in order to receive Holy Communion.

Just sayin..

Same thing. Catholics do not maintain membership records. You're a Catholic if you've been baptized and will always thereafter be one. But, you can be an excommunicant if some bishop has so declared. Can't take communion. You're still a Catholic. Nobody's there to police you if you take communion, or keep you out of a church. The church can excommunicate an entire nation, and has. Catholics who take communion in that nation are committing a mortal sin.

[_why me]

Same thing. Catholics do not maintain membership records. You're a Catholic if you've been baptized and will always thereafter be one. But, you can be an excommunicant if some bishop has so declared. Can't take communion. You're still a Catholic. Nobody's there to police you if you take communion, or keep you out of a church. The church can excommunicate an entire nation, and has. Catholics who take communion in that nation are committing a mortal sin.

The catholics who post here can be just a little hypocritical. They certainly would not appreciate a site called CatholicThink which had as its goal to lead catholics out of their faith by giving a particular twist to catholic doctrine or history. But...a site dealing with Mormonism with such goals is laudable.

Also, if a catholic in his or her parish is listed on not being able to take communion because of a remarriage, the priest will not give communion to that member. And the parishioners would not appreciate that catholic receiving communion, if they know that that person is in sin. But that catholic can go to a parrish where he or she is not known and receive communion. This is no different for Mormons who have been excommunicated. They can also go to a ward where they are also unknown and partake of the sacrament.

[_hobo1512]

The catholics who post here can be just a little hypocritical. They certainly would not appreciate a site called CatholicThink which had as its goal to lead catholics out of their faith by giving a particular twist to catholic doctrine or history. But...a site dealing with Mormonism with such goals is laudable.

Also, if a catholic in his or her parish is listed on not being able to take communion because of a remarriage, the priest will not give communion to that member. And the parishioners would not appreciate that catholic receiving communion, if they know that that person is in sin. But that catholic can go to a parrish where he or she is not known and receive communion. This is no different for Mormons who have been excommunicated. They can also go to a ward where they are also unknown and partake of the sacrament.

Catholics here hypocrites? Now there is the pot calling the kettle black.

If you read anything on Mormon think, you would see that they have stated that it is not their intention to lead people away, but to merely provide information. If you read further, you would see that some have left, and some stay with Mormonism, so your idea that it is there to lead people away is false.

I'm sure a Catholic Think site wouldn't even be considered a blip on the radar. There are so many anti-Catholic sites, it wouldn't be anything new. There are also plenty of pro-Catholic sites, so again, your premise fails.

For someone who claimed to be Catholic at one point, it is becoming more and more evident that you lied.

Parishes don't keep lists of people that cannot receive communion, whether it is for an invalid marriage or something else. Priests, and Eucharistic ministers do not refuse communion to anyone, because there is no way to know if they have gone to confession or not., so again, your premise fails.

The same thing goes for busy bodies in the congregation that are worried about others receiving communion. They don't know whether that person has gone to confession, or if their marriage issue has been resolved, so their opinion is of no relevance. So, again, your premise fails.

Also, if they want to receive communion that badly, they can just go to a neighboring parish. They aren't connected via satellite like Mormons are.

Catholics don't need a recommend to get into any church building, they don't need money to get into any church building. Catholics go into the prisons, (Mormons don't), Catholics lead the way in missionary work in third world and dangerous areas, making it easier for other churches to follow (Mormon's don't)

Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite? Oh, and by the way, how are those imaginary nuns and priests you hang out with? Has anyone else been able to see them yet?

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Tobin said:

Well, I hope that remains the case. I've often found MT interesting, if not a bit one-sided in its truth telling and less objective than it might otherwise be. :) I personally don't mind the site other than the latest maneuvers haven't been good for its reputation as has already been pointed out. And as I've said, Tom Phillips is an interesting choice if not otherwise controversial because of his recent interactions with the Mormon Church. I certainly hope that one-sided nature doesn't become the only story there as a result and MT becomes yet another anti-mormon website where other points of view aren't even mentioned."

Translated - "I wish Mormon Think would bear its testimony like I want to hear it, then I can see it as being objective...