Former Stake President managing MormonThink

[_hobo1512]

Apples and oranges.

1. No Catholic is required to believe in St. Bernadette's vision, apparition, or miracles attributed to Lourdes.

2. Visions, crazy or otherwise by other Catholics are frequently discussed on lots of different anti-Catholic sites, as well as pro-Catholic sites. Again, no Catholic is obliged to believe in these.

3. Ever heard of Jack Chick? Ever heard of CARM? Those two sites do more to help the Catholic Church than hurt it. They make people think, and do research on their own. Some go toward the Catholic Church, others don't.

3. I don't know that the Catholic Church really cares what anyone else thinks about Bernadette, and Lourdes.

Keep in mind, the Catholic Church does investigate these claims. some can be explained with science, etc. others cannot. But again, no Catholic is obliged to believe them.

The Catholic Church doesn't try to put a spin on it's history like the Mormon church does. The Catholic Church doesn't tell people to stay away from material that isn't faith promoting. The Catholic Church's history is there for all to see, warts and all.

Over 1 billion and still growing says something doesn't it?

What are catholics required to believe?

I would love to see an indepth history of the catholic church written by the vatican. But...no such luck yet. The pope has a series of books out but...it is a whitewash of history. But that is okay. All was well during the medieval church according to the pope.

You're the one who said you were Catholic, you tell us. Or were you Lying for the Lord when you said that?

Hmmmmm, 2000 +/- years of history, vs 150+/-? You want that right away?

The history of the Catholic Church is out there, from before Christ's birth, right up to today.

If the Pope is not speaking on faith and morals, then he is not speaking infallibly. But hey, as a Catholic, you should know that.

Your "opinion" will make a big difference to the Pope don't ya think?.....LOL

But since you mentioned it, and appear to be a literary expert among all of your other gifts, give us a reference showing the Pope said all was will during Medieval times. I am sure we are all anxiously awaiting your scholarly proof.

How do you keep all of your lies straight? Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?

[Guest]

No need to bash the Catholics, surely you think Mormons are better than such childishness.
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Bashing catholics? Hardly. But when catholics come here and bash Mormonism well...one must give it back to them. Instead of giving me a lecture please use your words for them .

Politeness doesn't cut it with hobo. He just attacks and attacks and blames his Irishness for it.

And you attack and blame others for.....not a very Christ-like way of life is it?

You were better off with you original post.

And you were better off not wholeheartedly taking the bait, but alas you took the bait, and rather than standing tall on standing for the Church you look petty and childish for lowering yourself to ridicule an others religion.

[_3sheets2thewind]

Whyne, CFR.

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What CFR do you need? Do you really believe that they were called to church courts for writing church history? Many members have written about church history but faced no court. Bushman is a case in point.

Read the site and then tell why you think they were called into the court.

You can show your honor and honor the CFR or you can show your honor by editing your post.

A CFR is a CFR, and while you like to act pahoran you don't have to act like pahoran but running from a CFR, show your honor.

[_Yahoo Bot]

You can show your honor and honor the CFR or you can show your honor by editing your post.

A CFR is a CFR, and while you like to act pahoran you don't have to act like pahoran but running from a CFR, show your honor.

Let's see now. I asked you a few days ago for a CFR -- cite to a FAIR article which supported your list of offensive things FAIR does. I got a nothing from you. Nada. I think you are a Pahoran sock puppet.

[_3sheets2thewind]

You can show your honor and honor the CFR or you can show your honor by editing your post.

A CFR is a CFR, and while you like to act pahoran you don't have to act like pahoran but running from a CFR, show your honor.

Let's see now. I asked you a few days ago for a CFR -- cite to a FAIR article which supported your list of offensive things FAIR does. I got a nothing from you. Nada. I think you are a Pahoran sock puppet.

You might want to try an exercise in honesty their counselor.You did not issue a CFR, you posted "I'm curious if you point ...", this is not a CFR it is curiousity on your part.

More importantly the thread is common pattern of fair authors, not common pattern in FAIR publications. Fair authors can be identified outside of fair.

[_hobo1512]

Bashing catholics? Hardly. But when catholics come here and bash Mormonism well...one must give it back to them. Instead of giving me a lecture please use your words for them .

Politeness doesn't cut it with hobo. He just attacks and attacks and blames his Irishness for it.

Of course you bash Catholics. You do it every chance you get.

It is simply you being a hypocrite about it. Everyone in the world who doesn't agree with your view of the Mormon church is an anti. Yet when you do the same thing to the Catholics, somehow, you're just being noble. (It was so hard typing the word noble without laughing out loud hysterically)

Truth isn't always polite. Truth isn't light cotton. Truth is truth. If you are too dense to figure that out, then I'm not sure how to help you.

I will say that your list of traits is growing and growing. Keep up the good work.

1. Anti-Catholic
2. Anti-Semetic
3. Funtionally Illiterate
4. Hypocrite
5. Deceitful

This list of truthful things in not an attack, but merely an observation of the traits you demonstarte.

Further correction for you. Not that it will sink in, but we'll give it a shot. I said I said I don't know how to be subtle, I'm Irish. I didn't say anything about "attacking". Being subtle has nothing to do with "attacking".

Further, telling someone the truth is not "attacking", it is telling them the truth. So please lay off the persecution card. It is soooooo last season.

Shalom

[_Darth J]

In summary, why me is not able to articulate any factual or logical errors with this Mormon Think article, beyond "it's wrong to say the Church isn't true."

Well, let me put it this way: lets say that there is a site called CatholicThink and the site is dealing with the visions of Bernedette. The site has the story and then, they give a critic interpretation by listing all the crazy visions that have been claimed by other catholics. It documents the statements of laity that claim to have the same experience: visions of the Virgin Mary. Then, it goes on to list how Bernedette's vision was only visionary and then lists other visionary experiences that are without catholic approval.

Why bother to do this if not to cast doubt about Bernedette? And this is why MormonThink is not about dealing in facts but it is about dealing in bias to lead Mormons to doubt. Would there be anything untruthful on the CatholicThink site? No. But we all know why the other visions are there for catholics to read, right?

Once again, why me, the issue is: FACTUAL OR LOGICAL ERRORS IN THIS Mormon THINK ARTICLE.

Please point them out.

[_Yahoo Bot]

You might want to try an exercise in honesty their counselor.You did not issue a CFR, you posted "I'm curious if you point ...", this is not a CFR it is curiousity on your part.

More importantly the thread is common pattern of fair authors, not common pattern in FAIR publications. Fair authors can be identified outside of fair.

It is "there," not "their."

Now I'm a liar?

CFR then. Point to a FAIR publication which meets the definition of your list. Perhaps there are some out there; I haven't read all that much of FAIR. But, I'd like to see one that offends you most.

[_why me]

Once again, why me, the issue is: FACTUAL OR LOGICAL ERRORS IN THIS Mormon THINK ARTICLE.

Please point them out.

What about an illogical leap? To infer that the witnesses to the Book of Mormon can not be reliable because others have also been witnesses to other events is illogical.

[_why me]

Please tear apart the logic of this article. Show no mercy.

http://www.mormonthink.com/witnessesweb.htm

The critic argument in the article is much longer than than what the LDS are taught to believe section. In fact, much was left out in that section. To have 3 quarters of the page dedicated to critic arguments and have only one quarter to the faithful rendition of the story is lopsided. What was left out is truly amazing of the faithful story is truly amazing.

MT is all about casting doubt, lopsided on the side of critic arguments against the LDS church.

Oh, wait...checking it again...I see nothing faithful on that link, just the testimonies written in the Book of Mormon. The rest are critic arguments to cast doubt. Yep, it is a wonderful nonbiased site...yep...it sure is.