Again, this is for the benefit of board readers who might be mislead by Tobin's ludicrous babbling, not Tobin himself (since he is impervious to objective reality).
Tobin wrote:hobo1512 wrote:Yo!! Tobin!!
Some pretty good information here for you from Darth.
Soak it up little buddy.
Actually, DarthJ is misrepresenting quite a bit. It is hearsay because it is unsubstantiated.
"Substantiated" is irrelevant to whether a statement is hearsay or not.
DarthJ is playing fast and loose with definitions in the hope to mislead as usual.
No, I am being accurate with definitions, and since that does not work in favor of Tobin's tacit acknowledgement that New York State contains no evidence of a genocidal Nephite battle circa 421 A.D., he is inventing out of thin air this idea that hearsay means that more than one person has to hear someone make a statement.
The statement by Lucy is an uncorroborated account since no one else heard Joseph Smith say this.
That must be why Oliver Cowdery wrote this in the
July 1835 Messenger & Advocate:You are acquainted with the mail road from Palmyra, Wayne Co. to Canandaigua, Ontario Co. N. Y. and also, as you pass from the former to the latter place, before arriving at the little village of Manchester, say from three to four, or about four miles from Palmyra, you pass a large hill on the east side of the road. Why I say large, is, because it is as large perhaps, as any in that country. To a person acquainted with this road, a description would be unnecessary, as it is the largest and rises the highest of any on that route. The north end rises quite sudden until it assumes a level with the more southerly extremity, and I think I may say an elevation higher than at the south a short distance, say half or three fourths of a mile. As you pass toward Canandaigua it lessens gradually until the surface assumes its common level, or is broken by other smaller hills or ridges, water courses and ravines. I think I am justified in saying that this is the highest hill for some distance round, and I am certain that its appearance, as it rises so suddenly from a plain on the north, must attract the notice of the traveller as he passes by.
At about one mile west rises another ridge of less height, running parallel with the former, leaving a beautiful vale between. The soil is of the first quality for the country, and under a state of cultivation, which gives a prospect at once imposing, when one reflects on the fact, that here, between these hills, the entire power and national strength of both the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed.
By turning to the 529th and 530th pages of the Book of Mormon you will read Mormon's account of the last great struggle of his people, as they were encamped round this hill Cumorah. (It is printed Camorah, which is an error.) In this valley fell the remaining strength and pride of a once powerful people, the Nephites—once so highly favored of the Lord, but at that time in darkness, doomed to suffer extermination by the hand of their barbarous and uncivilized brethren. Joseph Smith's right hand man, scribe for the majority of the Book of Mormon, and one of the Three Witnesses, probably came up with this totally on his own, completely irrespective of anything Joseph Smith ever said, and printed it in the Church's newspaper without any gainsaying from Joseph Smith.
And both witnesses happen to be dead!!!
Okay. Since Joseph Smith is dead, we cannot consider anything he ever said, and any discussion of Mormonism is now moot.
There is also the fact that Joseph Smith never repeated it to anyone else. He never stated it himself in the copious volumes of written material attributed to him and so on. It simply can't be verified and isn't supportable. And so on it goes.
D&C 128:20And again, what do we hear? Glad tidings from Cumorah! Moroni, an angel from heaven, declaring the fulfilment of the prophets—the book to be revealed. Again, hobo as I've said - your views aren't based on sound information, especially if you are listening to DarthJ.
Yes. You should listen to Tobin's super space alien
Star Trek god if you want sound information.
Bear in mind, DarthJ's grasp of Mormonism is tenuous at best. He doesn't even understand that God lives in the Celestial Kingdom according to Mormonism. I really wouldn't rely on someone like that for a sound understanding of anything having to do with Mormonism.
If anyone wonders what the hell this is about, in another thread some time ago, Tobin insisted that Elohim currently lives in the Celestial Kingdom. However, in LDS cosmology, it is actually the planet Earth that will become the Celestial Kingdom after the final judgment. The place God currently lives is on or near Kolob, as we learn from pagan Egyptian funerary texts. You can go find that thread if you have nothing else to do (read a book, watch TV, repeatedly hit yourself in the head with a hammer, etc.). It was yet another example where Tobin is shown evidence refuting his point that he can't contradict, so he offers the riposte of, "Nuh-uh!"