in rememberance

[Guest]

I wish for nothing else than for people to include God in their values and opinions.

As Pierre-Simon Laplace said:
- "Sire, je n'A.I. pas eu besoin de cette hypothèse."
("No, Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis.")
Reputed reply to Emperor Napoleon I, who had asked why he hadn't mentioned God in his discourse on secular variations of the orbits of Saturn and Jupiter:
- "Mais où est Dieu dans tout cela?"
('But where is God in all this?').

Ah! But did he have the right answer or just another hypothesis that suited his temperament?

[_Fence Sitter]

I wish for nothing else than for people to include God in their values and opinions. I want to be friendly, but some here are into controlling and have already made their minds up concerning creationism and God. I'm just trying to introduce/maintain a "christian" balance.

You use the term 'God" and 'Christian' here. Do you believe that Mormon's are Christians and have faith in the same God you do?

[_ludwigm]

I wish for nothing else than for people to include God in their values and opinions.

As Pierre-Simon Laplace said:
- "Sire, je n'A.I. pas eu besoin de cette hypothèse."
("No, Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis.")
Reputed reply to Emperor Napoleon I, who had asked why he hadn't mentioned God in his discourse on secular variations of the orbits of Saturn and Jupiter:
- "Mais où est Dieu dans tout cela?"
('But where is God in all this?').

Ah! But did he have the right answer or just another hypothesis that suited his temperament.

Ter ar tings i donot undesond in yur sentensse.
- orbits of Saturn and Jupiter are not hypotheses. They are description of facts, can be checked hundred times, called as theory. See the definition here.
- scientists (and Laplace was one of this category) describe nothing by their temperament. It would not be repeated-checked-proved. He has described measurable facts.
- Laplace HAD the right answer. He said it to an EMPEROR. He DID know what he said. (...are You able to tell the truth to an EMPEROR?)

by the way
I am a miserable non-english.
"did he have" is a word order of a question, used with '"~?~'" mark at the end.
For an exclamation, the word order is (is?) "he did have".

Am I wrong in English? It happens frequently...

[_Quasimodo]

by the way
I am a miserable non-english.
"did he have" is a word order of a question, used with '"~?~'" mark at the end.
For an exclamation, the word order is (is?) "he did have".

Am I wrong in English? It happens frequently...

You do very well, ludwigm, my friend! If I were to try and post in Hungarian it would be a disaster!

Te nagyon jól, ludwigm, barátom! Ha én lennék a próbálja ki és postai úton a magyar lenne a katasztrófáról!

[_LittleNipper]

I wish for nothing else than for people to include God in their values and opinions. I want to be friendly, but some here are into controlling and have already made their minds up concerning creationism and God. I'm just trying to introduce/maintain a "christian" balance.

You use the term 'God" and 'Christian' here. Do you believe that Mormon's are Christians and have faith in the same God you do?

I believe a Christian is someone who places his faith entirely in Christ and not in a set of rules or a particular church or keeping the law. I believe an Orthodox Jew believes in the same God, but the question is where does Christ fit into the equation. Mormons have added additional writings outside the Bible. I believe a Christian knows that Christ is God and not one of many god children.
Please see: http://www.bible-truth.org/myst-6.htm

[_Fence Sitter]

I believe a Christian is someone who places his faith entirely in Christ and not in a set of rules or a particular church or keeping the law. I believe an Orthodox Jew believes in the same God, but the question is where does Christ fit into the equation. Mormons have added additional writings outside the Bible. I believe a Christian knows that Christ is God and not one of many god children.

Thanks.

But this seems unclear. If Jews do not hold to the divinity of Christ and Mormons believe Christ is divine but separate from God then it seems that neither one believes in the same God you do. I am not exactly clear where Jews and Mormons, and a lot of other people who profess to believe in God, fit into your concept of who God is.

If I have faith in a supreme being whose characteristics are radically different from those you use to define God, do we both still believe in God?

[_LittleNipper]

I believe a Christian is someone who places his faith entirely in Christ and not in a set of rules or a particular church or keeping the law. I believe an Orthodox Jew believes in the same God, but the question is where does Christ fit into the equation. Mormons have added additional writings outside the Bible. I believe a Christian knows that Christ is God and not one of many god children.

Thanks.

But this seems unclear. If Jews do not hold to the divinity of Christ and Mormons believe Christ is divine but separate from God then it seems that neither one believes in the same God you do. I am not exactly clear where Jews and Mormons, and a lot of other people who profess to believe in God, fit into your concept of who God is.

If I have faith in a supreme being whose characteristics are radically different from those you use to define God, do we both still believe in God?

The reality is that one must believe as God revealed Himself and not as others wish to worship Him. The Bible was good enough for the early Church and for the most part they only had the Old Testament.

[_Fence Sitter]

The reality is that one must believe as God revealed Himself and not as others wish to worship Him. The Bible was good enough for the early Church and for the most part they only had the Old Testament.

I wonder if it is possible to get a direct answer from you?

One more try. Yes or no would be just fine.

If I have faith in a supreme being whose characteristics are radically different from those you use to define God, do we both still believe in God?

[_LittleNipper]

The reality is that one must believe as God revealed Himself and not as others wish to worship Him. The Bible was good enough for the early Church and for the most part they only had the Old Testament.

I wonder if it is possible to get a direct answer from you?

One more try. Yes or no would be just fine.

If I have faith in a supreme being whose characteristics are radically different from those you use to define God, do we both still believe in God?

If your faith has a radically different definition of God-------------------------------------------- NO! You would not know God but would be worshipping an idol of your own design...

Catholics, Protestants and Jews for the most part do not have a radically different view of God Himself. He is still the Great I AM.

[_Fence Sitter]

If your faith has a radically different definition of God-------------------------------------------- NO! You would not know God but would be worshipping an idol of your own design...

Catholics, Protestants and Jews for the most part do not have a radically different view of God Himself. He is still the Great I AM.

Okay thanks, I can better see your position on belief in God.

Do you believe that Mormons fit within that group that worships God or is their concept of God so radically different it must be considered idol worship? Perhaps in your view they worship God but cannot be considered Christians since they separate Christ from God?


In case it is not clear, here is where I stand. I am a life long Mormon (though some LDS would be offended at my claim), inactive, agnostic-ish but very interested in the historical aspects of Mormonism. Having spent all of my life as a Mormon I have very little exposure to how other religions view us, hence my questions to you.