Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass?

[_DrW]

Right, as clearly demonstrated on the other thread where I finally had to refer you to earlier posts with images and precise descriptions of places we worked in Oman.

Yes.

You claimed to have visited a location. You know nothing about the location, the things you have said are not only wrong, but completely opposite of reality. But you have pictures...?

Two possibilities.

1. You're making it all up.
2. You were there, and not only did you learn nothing, but you learned things that were the exact opposite of what is really going on. You admit to being made a fool of by the local population who fleeced you mercilessly.

Not really a choice I would put myself in, but then again...I actually did live there, and I did learn. But please call me a fool for doing what you could not. That makes sense!!!

Yes, my friend, you are the fool. All you have provided are links to cheap hotel websites outside of Oman. We have no evidence that you have done what you say other than your statements on this thread, which included a patently ridiculous claim that one could live in the Middle East, comfortably no less, on $100 a month. That is $3.33 a day, about the cost of a cheap McDonalds hamburger. Do you really expect anyone to believe such a statement?

I have shown you hotel rates at three and four star hotels in Oman (Muscat and Duqm), and you claim that we were being fleeced. I have shown you that your statement about apartment living costing half as much as hotel living is simply not true, given our schedule.

I have even named three of our clients, since (by your own criteria) you have been able to identify none of them, although they are well known organizations in Oman, I must assume that you have no local knowledge in Oman whatsoever.

And since you keep harping on your strawman arguments based on countries other than Oman, arguments that I have shown to be invalid and/or irrelevant, I am beginning to think you may be more than a fool, you might even be even an idiot.

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[_Bhodi]

It is not just that you are wrong, but that you do not know how wrong you are.

[_DrW]

It is not just that you are wrong, but that you do not know how wrong you are.

Fine. And you can have the satisfaction of knowing that I will be still be trying to figure out how wrong I am while transferring my share of our next funds transfer from Oman into my bank account.

[_Bhodi]

It is not just that you are wrong, but that you do not know how wrong you are.

Fine. And you can have the satisfaction of knowing that I will be still be trying to figure out how wrong I am while transferring my share of our next funds transfer from Oman into my bank account.

And if you roll an 11 you can land on Park Place too, as long as we're playing with imagination!!!

[_subgenius]

Well, that's the crux of the issue, isn't it? God can fit whatever notion or paradigm you decide to create for Him.
Unfortunatley, No, that is not the crux.

That said, you've stated that God is suprantural, no?

V/R
Dr. Cam

supernatural as a characteristic of Divinity i have certainly stated before.
I have not necessarily ever mentioned a notion of that which may be considered supranatural.

kindly leave the goalposts where they originated.

[_subgenius]

Neither of your references contradict my statement. Neither of your references demonstrate that God is subject to anything, let alone natural law.

You really should read both my post and your references again, except this time for comprehension.

So, are you claiming that God is not subject to natural law but has decided to operate within natural law anyway (as taught by James Talmage, Joseph F. Smith and John A. Widsoe)? This would seem a bit presumptuous on your part.

Again, your posts have little if any, support for your claim. You are making a rather outlandish conclusion. The simple fact is that the "teachings" do not, at all, teach what you are promoting...you have simply gotten it wrong.
You have tried to substitute Jesus for God and tried to further define God as being that which is a "miracle".
Yet even the most basic of theological understanding illustrates that a miracle is simply divine intervention upon the affairs of man. Thus it is a rather simple lesson that all miracles be "natural" in their character.
There is absolutely nothing that any reasonable ,rational, or sensible person would claim about the "ability" of God and the natural law.

Joseph F. Smith in "Man and his Origins" (1954, pp 484) wrote that every miracle performed by Jesus was "done on natural principles and in obedience to natural law."

Elder Talmage made the same claim in "Jesus the Christ", wherein he said that "miracles cannot be in contravention of natural law".

Stating that every miracle performed by Jesus was "obedient" to natural law does not conclude that God, the Father is subject to natural law.
Stating that a miracle can not "contravene" a natural law does not conclude that God, the Father is subject to natural law.

[_subgenius]

Are you now arguing that God is not subject to natural laws but is not omnipotent?

i have not changed my argument. the previous post was merely an illustration of how the OP is flawed.
Not being subject to natural law does not necessarily translate to Omnipotence.
For example, a previous post used the term "supranatural" - or that which transcends the natural (as arguably the supernatural might).
So, we see by the simple term "supranatural" that something may be considered free from natural laws...but it may not necessarily be omnipotent.

[_subgenius]

...I can decide after two sentence that the next dozens should be skimmed. Or many times they should be skipped (this is a hidden foe's list in my brain...).

(emphasis above mine)
by your own admission you are presumptuous, so to explain further that which has clearly already been posted is a waste of both your time and mine.
You claim to discern patterns from information that you admit to not even reading....forgive me if i question the sincerity of your post's criticisms.

[Guest]

And if you roll an 11 you can land on Park Place too, as long as we're playing with imagination!!!

You are of course referring to the kind of imagination represented by the wire transfer below for $55,460 paid in November for work by two of us in the month of October.

[_Bhodi]

And if you roll an 11 you can land on Park Place too, as long as we're playing with imagination!!!

You are of course referring to the kind of imagination represented by the wire transfer below for $55,460 paid in November for work by two of us in the month of October?

I can Photoshop too!!! :) If you want I could provide a wire transfer from Mordor if you like.

Let's assume it is real, besides evidence of an unbelievable inferiority complex...why don't you know that hotel prices are negotiable, what the days of the week are, what the weekend is, anything about the culture, etc... I’d prefer poor and educated to wealthy and uneducated (assuming the paperwork is true…).