Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass?

[Guest]

I can Photoshop too!!! :) If you want I could provide a wire transfer from Mordor if you like.

Let's assume it is real, besides evidence of an unbelievable inferiority complex...why don't you know that hotel prices are negotiable, what the days of the week are, what the weekend is, anything about the culture, etc... I’d prefer poor and educated to wealthy and uneducated (assuming the paperwork is true…).

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Bhodi,

Wealthy and uneducated? Wrong again - both counts.

I am not uneducated and I am not wealthy. You just keep making assumptions with little or no evidence.

Again, there are a number of individuals on this board (including Dr. Scratch) who know my in real life identity. They know that I hold a Ph.D., have served on publicly traded company and international scientific society boards, as well as details regarding my publications and patents.

Before you continue with your broken record rant, why don't you take me up on my invitation to check my references with a neutral third party?

Or would you rather just continue making a fool of yourself with your unfounded and invalid assumptions?

[_DrW]

So, are you claiming that God is not subject to natural law but has decided to operate within natural law anyway (as taught by James Talmage, Joseph F. Smith and John A. Widsoe)? This would seem a bit presumptuous on your part.

Again, your posts have little if any, support for your claim. You are making a rather outlandish conclusion. The simple fact is that the "teachings" do not, at all, teach what you are promoting...you have simply gotten it wrong.
You have tried to substitute Jesus for God and tried to further define God as being that which is a "miracle".
Yet even the most basic of theological understanding illustrates that a miracle is simply divine intervention upon the affairs of man. Thus it is a rather simple lesson that all miracles be "natural" in their character.
There is absolutely nothing that any reasonable ,rational, or sensible person would claim about the "ability" of God and the natural law.

Joseph F. Smith in "Man and his Origins" (1954, pp 484) wrote that every miracle performed by Jesus was "done on natural principles and in obedience to natural law."

Elder Talmage made the same claim in "Jesus the Christ", wherein he said that "miracles cannot be in contravention of natural law".

Stating that every miracle performed by Jesus was "obedient" to natural law does not conclude that God, the Father is subject to natural law.
Stating that a miracle can not "contravene" a natural law does not conclude that God, the Father is subject to natural law.

subgenius,

Your post is a mass of confusion and contradiction. Please read it again and think about the logic of what you have said. Maybe you should try a little diagram.

When you figure out your post, perhaps you would just answer the question: Can God (and/or his son, if you insist) violate natural law?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Dr. W,

You're being trolled.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_DrW]

Dr. W,

You're being trolled.

V/R
Dr. Cam

Two at a time, no less.

You're right, though. Should know better by now.

Perhaps I should leave the Celestial Forum for a while and stop feeding them.

Have a good New Year, Doc.

[_subgenius]

subgenius,

Your post is a mass of confusion and contradiction. Please read it again and think about the logic of what you have said. Maybe you should try a little diagram.

the evidence, so far, supports your own confusion...or at least your own selective memory.
see below

When you figure out your post, perhaps you would just answer the question: Can God (and/or his son, if you insist) violate natural law?

Again, and as usual, you guys love to discuss anything but the actual topic.
Now having been proven to not understand the simple teachings of Smith or Talmage you are suddenly interested a question that has long ago been answered.

viewtopic.php?p=667988#p667988

Is God subject to the laws of nature, or is He Omnipotent?

V/R
Doctor Cameron, North Carolina for Me

if by omnipotent you mean that God is able to do anything in accordance with His nature...then yes.

viewtopic.php?p=669142#p669142

It is without exception that one can state that God is NOT subject to natural law.
God is also omnipotent.

[_subgenius]

Dr. W,

You're being trolled.

V/R
Dr. Cam

If i were in fact Trolling it would most certainly have been invited and demanded by the OP.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Mr. Sub-Genius,

It's "trolling".

V/R

Dr. Cam

[_Molok]

I can Photoshop too!!! :) If you want I could provide a wire transfer from Mordor if you like.

Careful Simon, the mask is slipping.

[_SteelHead]

Is god so omnipotent that he can create a rock of such mass that he can not move it?

The conundrum of omnipotence.

[_LittleNipper]

Is god so omnipotent that he can create a rock of such mass that he can not move it?

The conundrum of omnipotence.

God cannot do everything. He can do anything within His nature to do; however, God cannot sin. God cannot be less than perfect. God cannot cheat or lie. So no, God cannot create a rock so big that He cannot move it. That would be like saying, God isn't all powerful because He cannot kill Himself...