Is this true, the name Nauvoo?

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Re: Is this true, the name Nauvoo?

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LittleNipper wrote:I don't understand what the big deal is. Bethlehem is Hebrew and means "house of bread." There is a Bethlehem, PA. The reality is that more non-jewish people know Hebrew than one might imagine. Ben Franklin even wanted Hebrew to be America's languge (though he might have been kidding at the time). Nauvoo is a word that sounds nice. Joseph Smith obviously knew some Hebrew or had a friend who did.


Quasimodo wrote:Well, I suppose that the 'big deal' might be weather or not Joe Jr. had learned a little Hebrew before naming Nauvoo or if he had that word straight from God.

I know of no suggestion that he got the word straight from God, nor is there any reason for such silly speculation.

It appears as though he learned it without divine guidance.

Correct. He studied Hebrew in Kirtland.

His accuracy in translating foreign tongues has been called into question more than a few times.

Perhaps you could favor us with some examples of those times. Or will that be more of the Fawn Brodie by-gosh-and-by-golly approach?

Most specifically his translation of the Book of Abraham, which turned out to be a very common Egyptian prayer.

A very common assumption by anti-Mormons, but which has no justification.

Apologists like to use his naming of Nauvoo as a proof of his other worldly abilities.

False. It was a Jewish professor who wrote the article describing how Joseph learned Hebrew in Kirtland and how Nauvoo was named -- see Louis C. Zucker, “Joseph Smith as a Student of Hebrew,” Dialogue, 3/2 (Summer 1968), 41-55; reprinted as an “Introduction” to a 1981 facsimile reprint of Joshua Seixas, Manual: Hebrew Grammar For the Use of Beginners, 2nd ed. (1834). See nauvoo on p. 111 of that Grammar.
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Robert,

Is it possible to question Joseph Smith's ability as a translator and not be considered an anti-Mormon?

In those few instances where we still have the document from which he translated, his track record is not very good.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Fence Sitter wrote:Robert,

Is it possible to question Joseph Smith's ability as a translator and not be considered an anti-Mormon?

In those few instances where we still have the document from which he translated, his track record is not very good.

Joseph Smith is the rock the Mormon church is built upon.
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LittleNipper wrote:Joseph Smith is the rock the Mormon church is built upon.


What ever his faults were, we do know that he actually existed, so he does have that going for him.
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Fence Sitter wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Joseph Smith is the rock the Mormon church is built upon.


What ever his faults were, we do know that he actually existed, so he does have that going for him.

So does Jim Jones ---- that hardly makes him worthy of idolization..
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LittleNipper wrote:So does Jim Jones ---- that hardly makes him worthy of idolization..

Correct, but again we know that Jim Jones actually existed.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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moksha wrote:I think the name Shady Rest was coined from the ancient Provonian, meaning "a place without berserk moderation". As trailer courts and discussion boards go, that was a prophetic naming.


Lol. That's sacreligious.
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Fence Sitter wrote:Robert,

Is it possible to question Joseph Smith's ability as a translator and not be considered an anti-Mormon?

In those few instances where we still have the document from which he translated, his track record is not very good.

Actually, Joseph's track record is excellent, as I pointed out on this board at "Liahona Irreantum Rabbanah deseret." If you have specific complaints, I can help clarify matters for you.
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Robert F Smith wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:Robert,

Is it possible to question Joseph Smith's ability as a translator and not be considered an anti-Mormon?

In those few instances where we still have the document from which he translated, his track record is not very good.


Actually, Joseph's track record is excellent, as I pointed out on this board at "Liahona Irreantum Rabbanah deseret." If you have specific complaints, I can help clarify matters for you.



Not so much complaints as questions.

What documents exist today that are known to be the source material or copies of the source material from which Joseph Smith translated or attempted translations? It might be easier if we at least started from a common point(s).
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Robert F Smith wrote:Actually, Joseph's track record is excellent, as I pointed out on this board at "Liahona Irreantum Rabbanah deseret."

Oh really? What's the King's name on Facsimile #3 again?
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