Great question - "Why are facts Anti-Mormon?"

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Re: Great question - "Why are facts Anti-Mormon?"

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moksha wrote:
However, although this was cited as a reason for disciplinary action, it should be noted that the link that David provided another member was written by the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research (FAIR). The person who identified David Twede and forwarded David's writing to Church headquarters was Scott Gordon, president of FAIR.


Didn't realize the writings at FAIR were so subversive as to constitute heresy, but it does seem like a cosmic irony that this heresy would be pointed out by the President of FAIR. What a devilish form of entrapment.


Yes, it was ironic. When FAIR attacked Twede in order to paint MormonThink as just another angry anti-mormon site, they defamed him by trying to argue that the only reason he was being disciplined was because he was purposely leading members away from the church. However, before the disciplinary court was even called, Twede had already posted exactly what he was doing in his blog. And when he learned that it was Scott Gordon that had sent his information to SLC leader (who presumably activated his local leaders), Twede called out Gordon as a hipocrit.

On his blog of 22 Sept, he wrote:
after having some sleep, and now that the NY Times article came out, I read statements by Scott Gordon, a Mormon apologist, that indicated he was behind turning me into the church authorities. One of his statements has resolved me back to my original gut feeling--that this is probably in part about the LDS church squelching my political speech. The reason is a little complex. Let me start with his particular quote from the NY Times:

“ It has nothing to do with Romney,” Mr. Gordon said. “I know members very high up in the church who are voting for Obama.”

“ It’s about him posting on a blog that he was actively in there trying to subvert people’s beliefs in the L.D.S. church,” Mr. Gordon said... "

If you've read my [15 Sept] "The Mysteries of the Gospel" blog, you will know that the only case Gordon had against me was that I wrote about emailing with "Pat" who I indicated was a questioning member. I wrote:

" I decided to send Pat two links: The first link to Mormon information Graphics on the Book of Abraham, and a second one to FAIR’s explanation of one of the facsimiles. "

Links included in this were:

http://www.mormoninfographics.com/searc ... /Facsimile

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraha ... acsimile_3

The latter is directly from Scott Gordon's own group, FAIR. In other words, I gave someone information that FAIR wrote. I find it extremely unlikely that this is what got the LDS Salt Lake leaders' panties in a bunch. If that were true, Scott Gordon would also be called in for disciplinary court.


(see http://mormonthinkblog2012.blogspot.com ... -worn.html )

He didn't even send a link to mormonthink at all. It's ironic that they came after him, and he was intentionally avoiding sending members of his own ward to the mormonthink website. Yet, that is what FAIR (Gordon) claims it was about.
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Re: Great question - "Why are facts Anti-Mormon?"

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ZelphtheGreat wrote:"Joseph a young man discovering his prophetic gifts by trying to use them to find treasure is an "evidence" of his calling, not a ding against it".

Yes, in the Bible Moses, Noah, Job and all the rest..., even Jesus himself spent their youth with magic peepstones looking for buried treasure as preparation for their future Godly callings.


How do you know? Not in the Bible?
Well, those things you mention of Joseph aren't in the Latter-day scriptures either.
So, how do you know the other Biblical Prophets didn't start showing signs and do various things in their youth?

Do you read the stuff you write Mr. faqs?


Do you? You use a false analogy. In case you don't know, when using facts to bebunk something else, they must have like characteristics.

One other thing.... Clearly you haven't read your Bible and Extra-Biblical (some of which were Biblical) texts very much, cause guess what??? The usage of stones, and other similar objects is well known in scriptural history.
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lulu wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:You do know we don't teach "History classes" right at Church?


When you speak or write about the past you are speaking and writing history.

So unless its your contention that everything that is said at church is about the present or the future, your statement is patently and blatantly false.

Enough with this the Book of Mormon or the # of Brigham Young's wives in church is religion not history.


Quoting "some" things from history, is not the same thing as having "History Classes" or "teaching history".

Do anti-mormon mental powers not understand the difference? Clearly not.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
Quoting "some" things from history, is not the same thing as having "History Classes" or "teaching history".


QFT
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Darth J wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:
Quoting "some" things from history, is not the same thing as having "History Classes" or "teaching history".


QFT


Spending the day being off topic, sorry (I'll repent later). Good to see you back, Darth! Where have you been?
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Quasimodo wrote:
Spending the day being off topic, sorry (I'll repent later). Good to see you back, Darth! Where have you been?


I've been finding God. Some of our LDS friends are going to be surprised when they find out that She is black.
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Darth J wrote:I've been finding God. Some of our LDS friends are going to be surprised when they find out that She is black.


:lol:
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Re: Great question - "Why are facts Anti-Mormon?"

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Darth J wrote:I've been finding God. Some of our LDS friends are going to be surprised when they find out that She is black.


I thought Alanis Morissette was a pale white Canadian...
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Re: Great question - "Why are facts Anti-Mormon?"

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The point is, is that while yes there is "some" teaching of history, that's not the same as "teaching history" or having history classes in Church.

You expect us to teach ALL history, no matter if it's actually true or not.
What's worse is you want us to teach "your version" of history, as if it is the actual and true history, when it's not.

What "relevance" in a Sunday School class does teaching that Porter Rockwell a once body guard of Joseph Smith once attempted to kill Governor Boggs for his evil acts against the Church?

Please tell us how this "history" has any relevance to a Sunday School lesson, let alone any other number of useless facts, and let alone your false facts, or your facts used to lie?

As I said, the Church doesn't teach history, it teaches the Gospel of Christ.
It only quotes history as it relates to the Gospel of Christ.

Get a clue people!
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ldsfaqs wrote:As I said, the Church doesn't teach history, it teaches the Gospel of Christ.
It only quotes history as it relates to the Gospel of Christ.

Get a clue people!


This needs to be somebodies sig line!

As ldsfaqs said, truth and history are only valuable when they promote the Mormon gospel. Truth and history should be ignored if they are 'uncomfortable'.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.

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