Misconceptions about the Mormon Church (U.K.)

[_hobo1512]

Funny. If polygamy isn't in the Book of Mormon, odd that it is talked about and banned and labeled a sin then? And you seem to be dodging the question too. I find it very interesting that something so important to God in the afterlife is labeled a sin in the sciptures, don't you?

But it isn't labeled a sin in the D & C chapter 132 now is it?

Are you saying that the Doctrine's and Covenants is not Mormon scripture? I thought Mormon scripture was Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. Correct me if one or more of these is in fact NOT Mormon scripture.

Mormon leaders have only agreed not to practice it in this life due to having to follow the laws of man.

You are familiar with the 1890 manifesto right? Let me quote a part of it for you.

The "1890 Manifesto", sometimes simply called "The Manifesto", is a statement which officially disavowed the continuing practice of plural marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). Issued by church president Wilford Woodruff in September 1890, the Manifesto was a response to mounting anti-polygamy pressure from the United States Congress, which by 1890 had disincorporated the church, escheated its assets to the U.S. federal government, and imprisoned many prominent polygamist Mormons.

Nowhere does it say it is a sin.

Good try little buddy.

[_Tobin]

Yes, it is your belief. An unqualified, distorted, and unreasonable belief. As I've said, you are hardly the judge and your repeated attempts to throw around labels instead of dealing with my responses is indicative of the weakness of your position.

It is not my belief, sorry. It is revealed truth. Your heart is simply too hard to accept that :(
It's painful to sit here and watch someone who claims to be a member of the faith lie so much. I hope that one day you will confess your sins and be forgiven.

Ah, so now you've moved on from just calling me an apostate to being a liar too. I'd dearly love you to point out any lies. But, I can't wait for your next unqualified insult. But, of course, if you don't have a good arguments, just call the other side names. I'm sure you believe that will magically make anything you say cogent and reasonable.

[_Molok]

Hmmm, that seems pretty clear and unqualified to me. I wonder who is a liar here?

Considering Steelhead was referring to Section 132, still you, I'm afraid :(

[_SteelHead]

Uuhg, reading comprehension fail for Tobin.

Read Jacob 2 again Tobin, pay attention to the context and vs 30

30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

A caveat allowing for polygamy as commanded by the lord.

[_Tobin]

Funny. If polygamy isn't in the Book of Mormon, odd that it is talked about and banned and labeled a sin then? And you seem to be dodging the question too. I find it very interesting that something so important to God in the afterlife is labeled a sin in the sciptures, don't you?

But it isn't labeled a sin in the D & C chapter 132 now is it?

Are you saying that the Doctrine's and Covenants is not Mormon scripture? I thought Mormon scripture was Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. Correct me if one or more of these is in fact NOT Mormon scripture.

That hardly seems like a strong point in your favor. If this is so important to the afterlife, Mormons should live it today don't you think? The answer is that section 132 was added by the polygamist faction to justify their sinful position.

Mormon leaders have only agreed not to practice it in this life due to having to follow the laws of man.

I see. So it is so important that we don't live it now, but magically we'll all be polygamists in the next life according to you. Except the prophets of the Book of Mormon like Lehi, Nephi, Mormon, Moroni and so on for whom it was a sin. That's rich.

You are familiar with the 1890 manifesto right?

I am. Now, consider this. If this were a commandment from God and so important to your salvation, do you think any power on Earth could compel Mormons to stop such a practice? The more likely answer is what is clearly obvious. It was a sin and the Lord allowed a man-made government to step in and stop the practice.

Nowhere does it say it is a sin.

Hardly -

Jacob 2:23-28

But the word of God burthens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax In Iniquity; they understand not the Scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son. Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord .... Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it one wife; and concubines shall he have none; for I the Lord God delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me, thus saith the Lord of hosts

Doctrines and Covenants, Section 101:4, 1835 edition

Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproach with the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again

A section that was removed in 1876 by, listen closely - polygamists who were sinning. And what exactly did they substitute in its place? You guessed it, D&C 132.

So as you say -

Good try little buddy.

Maybe you should come to understand Mormonism a tad bit better next time instead of spouting off.

[_SteelHead]

Tobin,
Mormons do practice it today. How many are sealed to a living wife and a deceased?

[_Darth J]

I think you speaking with God more often is just what you need.

Joseph Smith spoke with God and he got D&C 132. Now you are saying you spoke with God and polygamy is wrong. Simultaneously, you insist that Joseph Smith was a true prophet.

Pictured: Tobin engages in theology

[_Tobin]

Uuhg, reading comprehension fail for Tobin.

Read Jacob 2 again Tobin, pay attention to the context and vs 30

30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

A caveat allowing for polygamy as commanded by the lord.

Again, that doesn't help you. The purpose of such a practice is not as you say, important in the afterlife, but for clearly an entirely different purpose here on Earth spelled out by the Lord. Maybe you should try to understand the scriptures a tad bit better next time. The failure on your part to understand what is going on here is the fact there were polygamists that were Mormons. Abraham as a polygamist. But the purposes of polygamy are not as you say, important in the afterlife, but to the contrary. It is important for this life as the Lord says.

[_Tobin]

Tobin,
Mormons do practice it today. How many are sealed to a living wife and a deceased?

And as I've pointed out, men have been sealed to men, women to women, and multiple men to a single woman in the past. The man-made mistakes in the temple are not indicative of anything. In fact, the scriptures state the purpose of polygamy isn't for the next life but for this life to raise up a righteous generation.

[_SteelHead]

You are not reading d&c 132 then. Polygamy is eternal, everlasting and hence relevant to the afterlife. Those who do not practice it will not receive the highest degree of glory. They will not have eternal increase. Your personal brand of Mormonism runs contrary to Mormon scripture.