Misconceptions about the Mormon Church (U.K.)

[_Molok]

Your personal brand of Mormonism runs contrary to Mormon scripture.

True words.

[_Tobin]

You are not reading d&c 132 then. Polygamy is eternal, everlasting and hence relevant to the afterlife. Those who do not practice it will not receive the highest degree of glory. They will not have eternal increase. Your personal brand of Mormonism runs contrary to Mormon scripture.

I've already explained that multiple times. D&C 132 was substituted for D&C 101:4 by the polygamists to justify their sinful behavior. Something that was put a stop to eventually by the Lord. Your failure to understand that seems to be the only problem here.

[_Tobin]

Your personal brand of Mormonism runs contrary to Mormon scripture.

True words.

And your distortion of Mormonism, its history, and scriptures pits one against the other and makes little sense. It isn't my personal brand of Mormonsim, but a clearer understanding of what is going on, than you possess, that bothers you.

[_SteelHead]

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

Please show where the requirement for the new and everlasting covenant being necessary for exaltation was rescinded, or please prove the Joseph Smith did not practice polygamy.

[_Molok]

And your distortion of Mormonism, its history, and scriptures pits one against the other and makes little sense. It isn't my personal brand of Mormonsim, but a clearer understanding of what is going on, than you possess, that bothers you.

What distortions would you be referring to, Tobin? Funny thing is, I haven't said ANYTHING about the history of the Church or the Scriptures here. The only thing I have said is that your personal version of Mormonism is not the Mormonism represented in Salt Lake City. The fact that you would lie, and claim that I have distorted history only shows how far into apostasy you have slid.

[_Tobin]

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

Please show where the requirement for the new and everlasting covenant being necessary for exaltation was rescinded, or please prove the Joseph Smith did not practice polygamy.

Clearly, you aren't paying attention. Section 132 wasn't added to the D&C until the little polygamists wanted to justify their sinful position. Polygamy is allowed by God, but the purposes aren't as you characterize it as being important in the afterlife. To the contrary, it is as the Lord says, to raise up a righteous generation in THIS life actually and only under commandment directly from the Lord. If such a practice were important to the afterlife, then ALL Mormons would live it today. The fact they do not, and it generally hasn't been lived during other dispensations (such as the Book of Mormon), clearly shows is NOT important to the afterlife at all.

[_Darth J]

How can we determine whether Joseph Smith, Tobin, or the leaders of the modern LDS Church are right, when they all say conflicting things and all say they spoke with God?

Wait, let me guess. We speak with God, right?

P.S. Would anyone like to explain to Tobin that despite his adoption of the RLDS position, Joseph Smith did in fact practice polygamy, and he did in fact claim to have received the revelation now known as D&C 132?

[_Tobin]

And your distortion of Mormonism, its history, and scriptures pits one against the other and makes little sense. It isn't my personal brand of Mormonsim, but a clearer understanding of what is going on, than you possess, that bothers you.

What distortions would you be referring to, Tobin? Funny thing is, I haven't said ANYTHING about the history of the Church or the Scriptures here. The only thing I have said is that your personal version of Mormonism is not the Mormonism represented in Salt Lake City. The fact that you would lie, and claim that I have distorted history only shows how far into apostasy you have slid.

Your representation that what I'm stating is either inaccurate or a lie. That is clearly a distortion of the facts (Mormonism, its history and the scriptures) that I've repeatedly and clearly stated. You are welcome to call me names, but that doesn't change the facts or what I have stated.

[_Molok]

Your representation that what I'm stating is either inaccurate or a lie. That is clearly a distortion of the facts (Mormonism, its history and the scriptures) that I've repeatedly and clearly stated. You are welcome to call me names, but that doesn't change the facts or what I have stated.

You are incapable of not lying about what I have said aren't you? You seem to have this obsessive need to put words in other people's mouthes to make them say what you want them to say. Sorry, Tobin you're up in the night on this one. I have said that your version of Mormonism is apostate, and it is. I have never given specifics of what views of yours are apostate.

[_Darth J]

Your representation that what I'm stating is either inaccurate or a lie. That is clearly a distortion of the facts (Mormonism, its history and the scriptures) that I've repeatedly and clearly stated. You are welcome to call me names, but that doesn't change the facts or what I have stated.

See: ipse dixit