Why do missionaries die on their mission?

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Re: Why do missionaries die on their mission?

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Bazooka wrote:
subgenius wrote:Particularly with details of being on "His errand" and what is considered as "Lord's protection"....


I don't know, Thomas S Monson wasn't specific on the clauses when he made the claim.
Perhaps you can ask him to clarify...

Hmmm...i sense Drifting

But why would i need to consult Monson? By the OP you seem to be confused by the while situation. Perhaps you should post the source of Monson's claim as a beginning of your understanding.
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Re: Why do missionaries die on their mission?

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Quasimodo wrote::lol:
Reminds me of the character in "Catch 22". His last name was Majors. When he was born, his father (in a moment of drunken humor) named him Major. After joining the Army Air Corp, Major Majors was promoted to Major (due to a clerical error because of his name). He was Major Major Majors.


i thought Heller wrote that it was because of an IBM computer with a sense of humor that he was promoted to Major.

one thing i remember for sure, the guy's middle name was Major too.
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Re: Why do missionaries die on their mission?

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subgenius wrote:But why would i need to consult Monson? By the OP you seem to be confused by the while situation. Perhaps you should post the source of Monson's claim as a beginning of your understanding.



As bearers of the priesthood, we have been placed on earth in troubled times. We live in a complex world with currents of conflict everywhere to be found. Political machinations ruin the stability of nations, despots grasp for power, and segments of society seem forever downtrodden, deprived of opportunity, and left with a feeling of failure.

We who have been ordained to the priesthood of God can make a difference. When we qualify for the help of the Lord, we can build boys, we can mend men, we can accomplish miracles in His holy service. Our opportunities are without limit.

Ours is the task to be fitting examples. We are strengthened by the truth that the greatest force in the world today is the power of God as it works through man. If we are on the Lord’s errand, brethren, we are entitled to the Lord’s help. Never forget that truth. That divine help, of course, is predicated upon our worthiness. Each must ask: Are my hands clean? Is my heart pure? Am I a worthy servant of the Lord?

( Source: General Conference, April 2008 )


One assumes that although he was addressing Priesthood holding men, the Lord's help would be equally available to women serving a mission. Don't you think?
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Re: Why do missionaries die on their mission?

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Bazooka wrote:It was Thimas S Monson who said you are entitled to the Lords protection whilst on His errand.

It might help if we think of the death of a missionary as more like a transfer to the Spirit Prison Mission. :twisted:
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Bazooka wrote:
That divine help, of course, is predicated upon our worthiness. Each must ask: Are my hands clean? Is my heart pure? Am I a worthy servant of the Lord?

( Source: General Conference, April 2008 )


One assumes that although he was addressing Priesthood holding men, the Lord's help would be equally available to women serving a mission. Don't you think?

What i think is that - as was discussed before when you posted about the elder hit by a car in Brazil -you avoid, disregard, and deny three above snip from your reference.
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Subgenius, where did you serve your mission?
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Re: Why do missionaries die on their mission?

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subgenius wrote:
That divine help, of course, is predicated upon our worthiness. Each must ask: Are my hands clean? Is my heart pure? Am I a worthy servant of the Lord?

( Source: General Conference, April 2008 )


What i think is that - as was discussed before when you posted about the elder hit by a car in Brazil -you avoid, disregard, and deny three above snip from your reference.


Are you suggesting that the Lord's help was withdrawn from this female missionary for some lack of worthiness reason, hence why she died and her companion didn't?
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subgenius wrote:
That divine help, of course, is predicated upon our worthiness. Each must ask: Are my hands clean? Is my heart pure? Am I a worthy servant of the Lord?

( Source: General Conference, April 2008 )


What i think is that - as was discussed before when you posted about the elder hit by a car in Brazil -you avoid, disregard, and deny three above snip from your reference.


Are you suggesting that the Lord's help was withdrawn from this female missionary for some lack of worthiness reason, hence why she died and her companion didn't?


Bumping so that subgenius can jump into the hole he dug...
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Bazooka wrote:Are you suggesting that the Lord's help was withdrawn from this female missionary for some lack of worthiness reason, hence why she died and her companion didn't?

actually i was suggesting that the "reason" she died i unknown to you, likely forever unknown.
Obviously, by the TSM quote you so often reference...this protection is conditional. If we wanted to lower our intellect to your level of reasoning and assumption, then yes, it would appropriate to validate TSM's statement by affirming that she must have died to a worthiness issue or due to her not being on the Lord's errand at that moment.
Regardless, it is a fallacy to assume that either one of us know the reason for her death, just as it is a fallacy to assume that her death was not, in fact, a protection - perhaps she was removed from this life to spare a suffering yet to be realized, thus her death protected her - especially if your emphasis is not temporal - an emphasis that most of your arguments rely on.......though you have changed your screen-name your cynicism endures....por que?
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Re: Why do missionaries die on their mission?

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subgenius wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Are you suggesting that the Lord's help was withdrawn from this female missionary for some lack of worthiness reason, hence why she died and her companion didn't?

actually i was suggesting that the "reason" she died i unknown to you, likely forever unknown.
Obviously, by the TSM quote you so often reference...this protection is conditional. If we wanted to lower our intellect to your level of reasoning and assumption, then yes, it would appropriate to validate TSM's statement by affirming that she must have died to a worthiness issue or due to her not being on the Lord's errand at that moment.
Regardless, it is a fallacy to assume that either one of us know the reason for her death, just as it is a fallacy to assume that her death was not, in fact, a protection - perhaps she was removed from this life to spare a suffering yet to be realized, thus her death protected her - especially if your emphasis is not temporal - an emphasis that most of your arguments rely on.......though you have changed your screen-name your cynicism endures....por que?


Interesting that you consider being run over by a truck akin to receiving the Lord's protection.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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