More lying from Le Grand Richards and POGP

[_Mittens]

In Marvelous Work and A Wonder, Le Grand Richards Pages 43-44
He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Moroni; that God had a work for me to do; and that my name should be had for good and evil among nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people.

He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

[ the Book of Mormon mention most of LDS teachings? Like baptism for the dead, celestial marriage, three degrees of glory, that God the Father was a man, plurality of gods, tempory hell, pre-existence of spirits, eternal progression, eternal intelligence, priesthood needed to act for god, plural marriage, polygamy, word of wisdom, secret handshakes etc. so how could it contain the fullness of the Everlasting Gospel ]

Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted "seers" in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book.

After telling me these things, he commenced quoting the prophecies of the Old Testament. He first quoted part of the third chapter of Malachi; and he quoted also the fourth or last chapter of the same prophecy, though with a little variation from the way it reads in our Bibles. Instead of quoting the first verse as it reads in our books, he quoted it thus:

For behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly shall burn as stubble; for they that come shall burn them, saith the Lord of Hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

[ 3 Nephi 25 :1 “For behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.” ] How come Moroni changes the Book of Mormon text ?


And again, he quoted the fifth verse thus: Behold, I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

[ 3 Nephi 25: 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord;
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.” ] How come Moroni changes the Book of Mormon text ?

He also quoted the next verse differently: And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers. If it were not so, the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming.

Matthew 11:
11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. 13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Mark 9:

11 And they asked Him, saying, “Why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
12 Then He answered and told them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and restores all things. And how is it written concerning the Son of Man, that He must suffer many things and be treated with contempt? 13 But I say to you that Elijah has also come, and they did to him whatever they wished, as it is written of him.”

Luke 1:
17He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”


Matthew 17:10 Then his disciples asked him, “Why do the teachers of religious law insist that Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?”

11 Jesus replied, “Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready for the Messiah. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, but he wasn’t recognized, and they chose to abuse him. And in the same way they will also make the Son of Man suffer.” 13 Then the disciples realized he was talking about John the Baptist.

Mark 9:
11 And they asked Him, saying, “Why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
12 Then He answered and told them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and restores all things. And how is it written concerning the Son of Man, that He must suffer many things and be treated with contempt? 13But I say to you that Elijah has also come, and they did to him whatever they wished, as it is written of him.”

Luke 1:
17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

[_Mittens]

3 Nephi 11:17 Hosanna! Blessed be the name of the Most High God!
And they did fall down at the feet of Jesus, and did worship him.

3 Nephi 17:10 And they did all, both they who had been healed
and they who were whole, bow down at his feet, and did worship him;
and as many as could come for the multitude did kiss his feet,
insomuch that they did bathe his feet with their tears.


3 Nephi 19:18 And behold, they began to pray;
and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him
their Lord and their God.
One of the biggest myths in the Mormon World is that The Book of Mormon agree with LDS theology

1 Nephi 11:24 And after he had said these words, he said unto me:
Look! And I looked, and I beheld the Son of God going forth
among the children of men; and I saw many fall down at his feet
and worship him.


2 Nephi 25:29 And now behold, I say unto you that the right way
is to believe in Christ, and deny him not; and Christ is the Holy One
of Israel; wherefore ye must bow down before him, and worship him

[_Fence Sitter]

Mittens,

After producing the Book of Mormon, we do not have any record of Joseph Smith actually teaching from it. Maybe even he realized it fell short of containing the "fullness of the gospel".

by the way the usual TBM answer to your long question is to contort the meaning of 'fullness", but then arguing about definitions seems to be par for the course for religion in general.

Do you have a criticism of Mormonism that wouldn't also apply to what ever version of Christianity you hold to be true?

[_Mittens]

Well, as the keystone of our religion, it is the thing upon which we stand or fall. If it is true, this whole system of religion is true because God’s hand is in it; if it is not true, then our system of religion is false. But thanks be to God, this book is true! And thanks be to him also, he is willing, desirous, by the power of his Spirit, to bear record of that fact to all honest truth seekers in the world in which event they then know of the divinity of the work; and if they are willing to abide and walk in the light having the courage of their convictions they come and join with the Saints of God and get on the path leading to eternal life.” Bruce R. McConkie, “The Keystone of Our Religion” The Improvement Era, June 1965, 50

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.

[_Bhodi]

Well, as the keystone of our religion, it is the thing upon which we stand or fall. If it is true, this whole system of religion is true because God’s hand is in it; if it is not true, then our system of religion is false. But thanks be to God, this book is true! And thanks be to him also, he is willing, desirous, by the power of his Spirit, to bear record of that fact to all honest truth seekers in the world in which event they then know of the divinity of the work; and if they are willing to abide and walk in the light having the courage of their convictions they come and join with the Saints of God and get on the path leading to eternal life.” Bruce R. McConkie, “The Keystone of Our Religion” The Improvement Era, June 1965, 50

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.

Mittens, most of your comments are simply cut and paste from other sources, and none of them very good at that. Since few in this forum are even supporters of Mormonism, most either agnostic or outwardly antagonistic, and the rest unswayed by the argumentation that comes from such poor sources as Matt Slick (who really is terrible at what he does).

What are you trying to accomplish.

[_Tator]

Well, as the keystone of our religion, it is the thing upon which we stand or fall. If it is true, this whole system of religion is true because God’s hand is in it; if it is not true, then our system of religion is false. But thanks be to God, this book is true! And thanks be to him also, he is willing, desirous, by the power of his Spirit, to bear record of that fact to all honest truth seekers in the world in which event they then know of the divinity of the work; and if they are willing to abide and walk in the light having the courage of their convictions they come and join with the Saints of God and get on the path leading to eternal life.” Bruce R. McConkie, “The Keystone of Our Religion” The Improvement Era, June 1965, 50

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.

Mittens, most of your comments are simply cut and paste from other sources, and none of them very good at that. Since few in this forum are even supporters of Mormonism, most either agnostic or outwardly antagonistic, and the rest unswayed by the argumentation that comes from such poor sources as Matt Slick (who really is terrible at what he does).

What are you trying to accomplish.

+1 and +?

[_Mittens]

Well, as the keystone of our religion, it is the thing upon which we stand or fall. If it is true, this whole system of religion is true because God’s hand is in it; if it is not true, then our system of religion is false. But thanks be to God, this book is true! And thanks be to him also, he is willing, desirous, by the power of his Spirit, to bear record of that fact to all honest truth seekers in the world in which event they then know of the divinity of the work; and if they are willing to abide and walk in the light having the courage of their convictions they come and join with the Saints of God and get on the path leading to eternal life.” Bruce R. McConkie, “The Keystone of Our Religion” The Improvement Era, June 1965, 50

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.

Mittens, most of your comments are simply cut and paste from other sources, and none of them very good at that. Since few in this forum are even supporters of Mormonism, most either agnostic or outwardly antagonistic, and the rest unswayed by the argumentation that comes from such poor sources as Matt Slick (who really is terrible at what he does).

What are you trying to accomplish.

The cut and paste was Mormon sourse " Gospel Link "

[_Tobin]

Mittens, most of your comments are simply cut and paste from other sources, and none of them very good at that. Since few in this forum are even supporters of Mormonism, most either agnostic or outwardly antagonistic, and the rest unswayed by the argumentation that comes from such poor sources as Matt Slick (who really is terrible at what he does).

What are you trying to accomplish.

The cut and paste was Mormon sourse " Gospel Link "

From the quality of the work, my guess is Mittens IS Matt Slick.

[_Albion]

Instead of diversion, do you have a response to the statement posted that the Book of Mormon contains the "fullness of the gospel" be it the Biblical Gospel or the Mormon Gospel? That is the point being presented and I, for one, would be interested in the responses for information's sake.

[_Tobin]

Instead of diversion, do you have a response to the statement posted that the Book of Mormon contains the "fullness of the gospel" be it the Biblical Gospel or the Mormon Gospel? That is the point being presented and I, for one, would be interested in the responses for information's sake.

Of course it does. The Book of Mormon asks one to seek and believe in Jesus Christ. What answer are you seeking other than that? As far as I know, there is only one Jesus Christ - or are you saying there are two in some parallel universe (one inhabited by Christians and the other by Mormons)? So back in reality, Mittens premise is frankly idiotic (ala Matt Slick) and that is why I, as a Mormon (and others on this forum), aren't very interested in it.