Why won't the Church Authorities respond to this....?

[_Res Ipsa]

Well played, Mr. Erotic. Well played.

[_Droopy]

There's nothing to respond to. Just more liberals who have tasted the fruit of the Tree of Life, turned to see the hip, cool people in the Great and Spacious Building sniggering and mocking, and become ashamed of the fruit they'd been holding in their hands.

You're talking about that big fancy mall across the street from Temple Square, right?

That would require the assumption that doing business and making a profit are, in the normal course of human events, inherently evil.

[_Bazooka]

You're talking about that big fancy mall across the street from Temple Square, right?

That would require the assumption that doing business and making a profit are, in the normal course of human events, inherently evil.

As opposed to requiring the assumption that doing business and making a profit are, in the normal course of eternal events, inherently part of Christ's plan.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

That would require the assumption that doing business and making a profit are, in the normal course of human events, inherently evil.

for what it's worth, I don't think the Brethren are inherently evil just because they operate a for-profit corporation dedicated to the accumulation of wealth. I just wish they wouldn't misrepresent it as a religion.

[_Droopy]

As opposed to requiring the assumption that doing business and making a profit are, in the normal course of eternal events, inherently part of Christ's plan.

Of course they are, in a mortal context. Why shouldn't they be (If they aren't a part of Christ's plan, it follows that they are outside the class "good")?

[_Bazooka]

As opposed to requiring the assumption that doing business and making a profit are, in the normal course of eternal events, inherently part of Christ's plan.

Of course they are, in a mortal context. Why shouldn't they be (If they aren't a part of Christ's plan, it follows that they are outside the class "good")?

Your view is support by a member of the Presiding Bishopric...

Keith B. McMullin, who for 37 years served within the Mormon leadership and now heads a church-owned holding company, Deseret Management Corp. (DMC), an umbrella organization for many of the church’s for-profit businesses. “We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... make-money

So, in Mormonism, poor people aren't as spiritually blossomed as rich people.
As Droopy affirms seeking after worldly riches is all part of God's plan, an essential part apparently.
So, think on Brother & Sister Poor Member...

[_Bhodi]

Keith B. McMullin, who for 37 years served within the Mormon leadership and now heads a church-owned holding company, Deseret Management Corp. (DMC), an umbrella organization for many of the church’s for-profit businesses. “We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... make-money

So, in Mormonism, poor people aren't as spiritually blossomed as rich people.
As Droopy affirms seeking after worldly riches is all part of God's plan, an essential part apparently.
So, think on Brother & Sister Poor Member...

Did you really misread this that badly?

[_vessr]

Did you really misread this that badly?

Yea, Bazooka, did you really mean that poor members who clean toilets of wards and stakes and do other menial tasks for Deseret buildings in exchange for food for their family don't blossom spiritually from their slave, er, I mean love labor?

[_Bazooka]

Did you really misread this that badly?

Yea, Bazooka, did you really mean that poor members who clean toilets of wards and stakes and do other menial tasks for Deseret buildings in exchange for food for their family don't blossom spiritually from their slave, er, I mean love labor?

I think Brother McMullin is suggesting that these poor members who have to earn their welfare support by "labouring in the house of the vineyard owner" cannot blossom spiritually until they get better paid jobs and start to enjoy a degree of fiscal prosperity.

[_Bhodi]

Yea, Bazooka, did you really mean that poor members who clean toilets of wards and stakes and do other menial tasks for Deseret buildings in exchange for food for their family don't blossom spiritually from their slave, er, I mean love labor?

I think Brother McMullin is suggesting that these poor members who have to earn their welfare support by "labouring in the house of the vineyard owner" cannot blossom spiritually until they get better paid jobs and start to enjoy a degree of fiscal prosperity.

Rather, it is hard to do much when you have to find dinner.

I was on Church Welfare when I was 8 or so. My father lost his job, and we needed food. I went with my mother to the Bishop's Storehouse and we got food. We lived in Atlanta at the time. I did not understand why it was just random cans, and not the stuff we normally got from the store, but it was a big warehouse and I remember my mom crying. I do not know if she was happy or sad. It was pretty good food truth told, and knowing my father, we never paid tithing so we really did not pay in, so to speak.

But this is not the point, the point is to make fun of Mormons, so we can ignore poor people and simply use them as a prop to insult a faith you do not like. This is a better group to use in mockery than the dead missionaries, at least. Unfortunately behind the mockery there are real people who have problems and while the Church is not perfect, it is hardly difficult to understand that simple subsistence is required to do anything, including developing spiritually. But don't let the reality of an unemployed family and young boy get in the way of your mockery.

As an aside, we went to the same building, but different Ward, as Dale Murphy. He was a real class act. We were not supposed to ask for his autograph, but we all followed him around and he was very gracious to us. I was upset when he did not make the Hall of Fame, he was certainly not a superstar, but he was a fantastic guy.