Same Sex Marriage - UK takes a step forward...

[_Res Ipsa]

Bhodi, you derailed two threads on two different topics just so you could fling about accusations of hypocrisy because that's what you were interested in. That's both arrogant and unspeakably boorish. This is the second or third time you've injected comments about your lack of ego. As long as we're going to psychoanalyze each other, only a person with a serious ego problem would need to go around telling people that they have no ego in play. I've never said you were angry, but you volunteer that you aren't and keep accusing others of being angry. Are you sure you aren't denying your anger and projecting it onto others?

There is nothing unique or odd about the ex-mormon "movement". Look at the other religions that generate similar movements: Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, etc. Perhaps you should ask yourself why exmormons behave like ex-witnesses and ex-scientologists and not like ex-Catholics. If I were a betting man, I'd say it's because Mormonism is more like the JWs and Scientology than it is like Catholocism.

Be honest with yourself: you don't have anything like sufficient information to draw the many conclusions that you are asserting about me, my motives, and my personality. Talk about sloppy scholarship!! Be honest: you are imagining things about me and acting as though they are real. That should worry you.

[_Bhodi]

Bhodi, you derailed two threads on two different topics just so you could fling about accusations of hypocrisy because that's what you were interested in.

I would think you would be interested too, hypocrisy being what it is. You forgive others for things you would excoriate Mormons for. If you want to be impartial and unbiased, you should be aware of this glaring flaw. If you just want to insult people you disagree with, then you are free to ignore it.

That's both arrogant and unspeakably boorish.

Only if you find it threatening.

This is the second or third time you've injected comments about your lack of ego. As long as we're going to psychoanalyze each other, only a person with a serious ego problem would need to go around telling people that they have no ego in play. I've never said you were angry, but you volunteer that you aren't and keep accusing others of being angry. Are you sure you aren't denying your anger and projecting it onto others?

I think you underestimate the power of ego and how much it plays a part in your, and others', interactions here. Ludwigm pontificates on Lucifer in the Old Testament, declaring that there is no translation of Lucifer outside of English. He is praised for his research and understanding. It took maybe 3 minutes to find the Albanian, disproving his argument. But rather than admit the error everyone jumped to defend the error, Ludwigm went insane with sarcasm. Every effort was made to NOT admit error. This is ego.

Ludwigm and Dr. W both pontificated on Islam. Neither knew what they were talking about. Dr. W claimed to have lived in the Middle East for months. Ludwigm posted an article trying to insult the religious. Both clearly had no idea. Dr. W had to resort to plagiarism to support his statements. When caught without knowledge, sarcasm, insults, etc...

This is ego. If you want to accuse me of projecting, please feel free. It's not true, and I know it, so why should I care if you think it? Again, no ego. So believe as you like.

There is nothing unique or odd about the ex-mormon "movement". Look at the other religions that generate similar movements: Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, etc. Perhaps you should ask yourself why exmormons behave like ex-witnesses and ex-scientologists and not like ex-Catholics. If I were a betting man, I'd say it's because Mormonism is more like the JWs and Scientology than it is like Catholocism.

I have been thinking, and I cannot think of a single legitimate scholar who would support your statement. Harold Bloom discussed both Mormons and JWs and I do not think he would equate the two. Jan Shipps would not. Certainly Mormons would not, but that is beside the point. I cannot think of any non-Mormon Christian scholars (legitimate again) who would support it. I am going to ask for some references on this one.

Be honest with yourself: you don't have anything like sufficient information to draw the many conclusions that you are asserting about me, my motives, and my personality. Talk about sloppy scholarship!! Be honest: you are imagining things about me and acting as though they are real. That should worry you.

If you wish to contest my conclusions, you certainly can, but I would not recommend it. You have some serious psychological problems when it comes to Mormons, and you would do well to examine them and if possible remove them. It is your life, however, and you are free to choose as you see fit.

[_Bazooka]

Britain is on course to adopt gay marriage after the House of Commons voted to give the marriage (same sex couples) bill a second reading by a majority of 225. The bill will still have to receive line-by-line scrutiny in the Commons, and then it will have to get through the Lords, but the size of the majority, and the fact that the leaders of all three main parties are in favour, suggest that it is now inevitable that gay marriage will become law.

Source; The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog ... -live-blog

Can a believing member of the Church now in good conscience vote for any of the major political parties given all their Leaders support for this bill?

Yes, quite easily.

Bhodi,

How can a believing member of the Church vote for a particular political party knowing that they are pursuing policies that are directly contrary to Church teachings?

[_Bhodi]

Bhodi,

How can a believing member of the Church vote for a particular political party knowing that they are pursuing policies that are directly contrary to Church teachings?

As I said, quite easily.

[_Bazooka]

Bhodi,

How can a believing member of the Church vote for a particular political party knowing that they are pursuing policies that are directly contrary to Church teachings?

As I said, quite easily.

*Bazooka types 'Bhodi' into 'foes' section of User Control Panel to avoid further wasting of time*

[_Bhodi]

*Bazooka types 'Bhodi' into 'foes' section of User Control Panel to avoid further wasting of time*

What is so amusing is that there is this sort of outrage over the existence of people who do not fit the preconceived notion. There are plenty of Mormon Democrats in the US, and more liberal Mormons outside of the US. But this is not tolerated…why?

“If you do not fit into my stereotypes, how can I pigeonhole your opinion!?!?!?”

[_Res Ipsa]

Bhodi,

How can a believing member of the Church vote for a particular political party knowing that they are pursuing policies that are directly contrary to Church teachings?

As I said, quite easily.

I agree with Bhodi, although I suspect there are both LDS and critics who would disagree. My experience and understanding has been that LDS folks are free to vote their conscience, even if it is for a candidate that supports an issue to which the LDS church has taken the opposite position. If Harry Reid has been disciplined by the church for belonging to the Democratic party, it's been kept very quiet.

Is anyone aware of an official LDS statement comparable to Ratzinger's: Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion?

[_LittleNipper]

Leviticus 18:1-30 The Lord tells Moses to inform the people of Israel not act like the people in Egypt or of Canaan. They must not imitate their way of life. Israel is to obey all God's regulations and His decrees. If they obey God's decrees and regulations, they will find a full life through them. So declairs the LORD.
Never have sexual relations with a close relative. Do not violate one's father by having sexual relations with one's own mother or have sex with any wives one's father has. This would violates one's father. Do not have sexual relations with your sister or half sister, whether she is your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter for any reason. Do not have sexual relations with your granddaughter, whether she is your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, for this violates one's self. Do not have sexual relations a stepsister, the daughter of any of one's father’s wives, for she is still one's sister. Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister, for she is your father’s close relative. Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s close relative. Do not violate your uncle, your father’s brother, by having sexual relations with his wife, for she is your aunt. Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife. Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife, for this would violate your brother.Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. And do not take her granddaughter, whether her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, and have sexual relations with her. They are close relatives, and this would be a wicked act.
While your wife is living, do not marry her sister and have sexual relations with her, for they would be rivals. Do not have sexual relations with a woman during her period of menstrual impurity. Do not defile yourself by having sexual intercourse with your neighbor’s wife. Do not permit any of your children to be offered as a sacrifice to Molech, for you must not bring shame on the name of your God.

Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin. A man must not defile himself by having sex with an animal. And a woman must not offer herself to a male animal to have intercourse with it. This is a perverse act. Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for the people God is driving out before them defiled themselves in all these ways. Because the environment became defiled, God is punishing the people who live there. I will cause the land to vomit them out. You must obey all my decrees and regulations. You must not commit any of these detestable sins. This applies both to native-born Israelites and to the foreigners living among you.

All these detestable activities were practiced by the people of the land where God is taking Israel, and this is how the environment has become defiled. So do not defile the land and give it a reason to vomit you out, as it will vomit out the people who live there now. Whoever commits any of these detestable sins will be cut off from the community of Israel. Obey God's instructions, and do not defile yourselves by committing any of these detestable practices that were committed by the people who lived in the land before you.

[_palerobber]

Do you know anything about Islamic jurisprudence? If not, why wade into a discussion where you have no understanding?

Oh My God, I am sorry very sorry for all my sins. because they are despising oh Lord, oh are!
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

Please give me the number of Your Red Phone. From now on, I will ask You every time what should I comment, what may I comment, or it is proper - at all - to open my mouth.
Thank You for Your mercy.

lol....

by the way, anyone else here find bhodi's playing schoolmaster to Abdel-Jalil on the subject of the Quran to be hilarious?

[_ludwigm]

Do you know anything about Islamic jurisprudence? If not, why wade into a discussion where you have no understanding?

I am sorry very sorry

lol....

by the way, anyone else here find bhodi's playing schoolmaster to Abdel-Jalil on the subject of the Quran to be hilarious?

You will get what You deserve in no time.
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And something from The Book:

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.