The Intersection of the Gospel and Politics Part II

[Guest]

1. What would be the criteria within which we would determine which political philosophies have a greater or lesser congruence with the gospel?

2. Upon what basis and to what degree is gospel teaching and doctrine relevant to specific perennial and contemporary political questions and problems, such as:

a. The nature of freedom,
b. Political and individual liberty,
c. Property rights,
d. Theories and forms of economic and social
organization,
e. The tension between the individual and the group, between liberty and
equality, between personal morality and the moral diffusion of mass consciousness, and the psychology of collectivism.

[_moksha]

The act of injecting politics into religion seems like a desecration of the sacred in order to promote the worldly. Keeping them separate is the wisest course of action. When the priest start touting the case of property rights, it makes them more partakers of Mammon than worshipers of God. When we render unto Caesar at the altar, if feels like when a cat drops a dead bird at our feet.

[_bcspace]

Free Market Capitalism is THE replication of God's economy as God Himself is a Free Market Capitalist. It's the only system wherein agency exists, is completely neutral, and where enticements towards good or evil can operate to the salvation of mankind. It's also the only system wherein a United Order can operate an be successful.

Thus the intersection between religion and politics occurs primarily in 2 Nephi 2 and wherever the war in heaven, the fall of Lucifer, or the purpose/reason of earth life is detailed. We are either free to choose salvation (FMC system) or someone is trying to force salvation on us (Liberalism) or someone is trying enslave us (Socialism/Dictatorship, often hand in hand with Liberalism).

Socialism, Liberalism, Dictatorship etc. are, by official LDS doctrinal definition, part of the church of the Devil.

[_ludwigm]

Free Market Capitalism is THE replication of God's economy as God Himself is a Free Market Capitalist. It's the only system wherein agency exists, is completely neutral, and where enticements towards good or evil can operate to the salvation of mankind. It's also the only system wherein a United Order can operate an be successful.

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God's economy...

Socialism, Liberalism, Dictatorship etc. are, by official LDS doctrinal definition, part of the church of the Devil.

The words Socialism, Liberalism, Dictatorship can Old Testament be found in Bible Dictionary, neither in Guide to the Scriptures, nor in Topical Guide.

I've found "dig" (under 'D')...
he who diggeth a pit for them shall fall into the same, D&C 109:25

Please list the items of "official LDS doctrinal definition"...
...or should we find it in "official sites" or in "official documents" or in "official hearsays around the world" ?

[_bcspace]

God's economy...

Amen. One is free to bring their own good or evil in this system and to do their own good or evil as well. This is exactly how God set up this world to operate.

The words Socialism, Liberalism, Dictatorship can Old Testament be found in Bible Dictionary, neither in Guide to the Scriptures, nor in Topical Guide.

Don't have to be specifically listed anywhere to be contrary to doctrine. However, the Bible Dictionary is not a doctrinal work anyway according to it's own preface and plus you didn't look hard enough anyway. For example, in the Church's doctrinal primer on the Law of Consecration, Socialism is specifically mentioned (and excoriated):

Enrichment L - The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

[_Molok]

Free Market Capitalism is THE replication of God's economy as God Himself is a Free Market Capitalist. .

Right, because ancient Hebrew civilization was well known for its Free Market Capitalism.

[_moksha]

This is a bit sacrilegious so say three hail Skousens afterward, but here is Supply Side Jesus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK7gI5lMB7M

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

This is a bit sacrilegious so say three hail Skousens afterward, but here is Supply Side Jesus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK7gI5lMB7M

You beat me to it.

[_Gadianton]

a. The nature of freedom,

man has free agency (libertarian freedom)

b. Political and individual liberty,

We are free to do what we want, but if we displease God (the great leader), he will torture us and destroy us.

c. Property rights,

God owns everything, we are serfs. The road to serfdom starts in the LDS chapel

d. Theories and forms of economic and social
organization,

"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates"..doesn't matter, we obey the law. we obey the great leader, if the great leader is our leader.

e. The tension between the individual and the
group, between liberty and equality, between personal
morality and the moral diffusion of mass consciousness.
and the psychology of collectivism.

the only tension between the individual and the group occurs when either of the aforementioned falls under the Church while the other party falls under banal outside society. There is no tension between an individual saints and a group of saints. The whole of a group of Saints is greater than the sum if its parts, indicating the Marxist idea of holism and collectivism is true.

[_ludwigm]

The words Socialism, Liberalism, Dictatorship can Old Testament be found in Bible Dictionary, neither in Guide to the Scriptures, nor in Topical Guide.

Don't have to be specifically listed anywhere to be contrary to doctrine. However, the Bible Dictionary is not a doctrinal work anyway according to it's own preface and plus you didn't look hard enough anyway.

Please give me the URL of preface... apparently I didn't look hard enough.

If one (me, if I may refer to an insignificant person) begins at "LDS.org", then follow Scriptures -> Study Helps -> Bible Dictionary menus, there is no introduction, no preface, no disclaimer, no "I am not doctrine", no nothing. It begins with -Aaron -Aaronic Priesthood -Ab -Abaddon keywords.

For example, in the Church's doctrinal primer on the Law of Consecration, Socialism is specifically mentioned (and excoriated):

Enrichment L - The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

Unfortunately, The United Order
1. wasn't that voluntary free the way the manual describes it
2. didn't work then
3. doesn't work now
4. (my opinion...) will never work in US-Utah-SLC



I don't prefer socialism, but it worked long than United order...



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