Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[consiglieri]

Dreadfully sad the whole thing. I don’t think anyone comes out of that looking good, and I really don’t understand why she went through with it. What will it accomplish? I feel like I am reading a diary about a crummy high school romance gone sour as I work through Dwight’s notes.

Maybe the Hallmark Channel will buy the movie rights.



For $350,000.00.

[Kishkumen]

Suddenly I'm interested in this story now.

Seems like JD has a few sexual health concerns that he needs to get ironed out, firstly revelations that he couldn't get an erection. And now potentially premature ejaculation problems? He orgasmed without stimulation?

The best part is that we have no reason to question her honesty on this.

[Kishkumen]

Maybe the Hallmark Channel will buy the movie rights.



For $350,000.00.

One of those networks must pay at least 10K for a good script. Maybe a series of novels would be a better bet? True crime is out, unfortunately.

[pistolero]

Record Established - I had most of the afternoon (it's dinner time in Sweden) that I could listen while I babysat something for work, but I only managed to get to 1:15:00. I will post my notes here and come back.

[Intro by Matt Long]
Matt still seems to be in Rosebud's corner and really throws Glenn Ostlund and Infants on Thrones under the bus. I guess taking money for something you do is really distasteful if it is podcasting, but not if it is lawyering.

Matt expresses his ignorance and takes Rosebud at her word that John decided to doxx her for some reason. I haven't gotten any pushback or countering that John is the source of doxxing her. Kwaku and Kate Kelly doxxed Rosebud and started this current episode. I don't think Kwaku or KK is doing JD any favors. RFM gave his reasons for using Rosebud's real name as she had publicly posted under it on Facebook, it was only the next day after the ML episode that she asked that she be referred to by the psuedonym in connection to this. This is after the ML episode in which she is named. Kate Kelly then deletes her tweet doxxing Rosebud. I have seen no evidence that JD would be stirring this up and defending himself or that ML Bill Reel and RFM would've tackled this except for Kwaku and Kate Kelly. Since Matt is unaware of this and unwilling to find anything out himself and just take Rosebud's version I am going to take what he has to say with a pound of salt. If John used the patriarchy or whatever means to get Kwaku to doxx Rosebud with the help of KK then we can go back to him being the source of all that is wrong.

It was disappointing to hear Matt Long tone on this as he set the stage for the recording. I'd be interested to know why he thinks in order to was so bad. In my circles, there was a time when in order to was the trailblazing exmo podcast, way more popular than MS and others - it was serious and irreverent, all at once. Unfortunately it's absolute bobbins right now, although I love Glenn to bits. I suspect RFM might be filling the void left behind by in order to these days.

Would love to have an InfantMatt vs RFM podcast episode at some point, two legal minds slugging it out discussing the situation.

Long makes a comment that in order to only "recently" started requesting donations. Not sure this is an accurate characterisation. Patreon has stuff going back to 2017. The podcast started in 2012 and we are in 2021. I guess 2017 isn't my definition of recently in terms of 2012. I'm not sure what it is that he's trying to distance himself from here? Does he think it's wrong to make money out of podcasting exmo issues?

Juxtaposing JD with Warren Jeffs and Joseph Smith feels a bit bizarre. JD is just a man, like any other earning a crust in a niche that he detected. He's successful, I mean look the salary he currently receives. Well done JD. I don't know if we'll ever know the truth of the JD/Rosebud situation, but I can't help but feel that many involved in this situation are more anti-Dehlin than they are pro-Rosebud.

[Kishkumen]

Someone here said something about the Rosebud accusation causing a rift at in order to? Shame if so. I no longer listen to in order to because I am not into the current theme. Seems like there was a move away from Mormon content to “good living” or some such, i.e., the sort of thing Dehlin contemplated doing until he saw his downloads plummet.

[master_dc]

Rosebud’s “interview” is a complete mess. She is the brains, can do no wrong, and JD is a buffoon, except when it comes to the diabolical plan of covering his tracks while communicating with her. Her ex-husband probably isn’t thrilled with her talking about him.

James, do yourself and Rosie a favor and read what Lem and Meadowchick have discussed in this thread. That is the not angle you have with the facts that have been shared. Maybe explore the alleged recording John captured of her, though I am not sure how the law works, but NH is an all party consent state.

But the best idea, drop this and move forward with your lives. The self aggrandizement of all parties is sad to witness. Literally no one of any consequence knows who JD is. If you want to take him down, forget him and make a difference in the lives of the masses. He will never grow outside of his small corner of a small religion.

[jpatterson]

Maybe explore the alleged recording John captured of her, though I am not sure how the law works, but NH is an all party consent state.

It would likely be a misdemeanor wiretapping offense in NH and the statute of limitations on that is three years. I don't believe she ever pressed charges.

[jpatterson]

I’ve read all that. But the bottom line is whether he was receiving excessive compensation. You haven’t shown that. The fact that the independent committee doubled rather than cut his salary is pretty good evidence that he hasn’t been receiving excess compensation.

Uhhh, his board doubling his pay is no indication of anything. You think the IRS uses that as any point of data? I already told you what they look at to determine reasonable pay.

He could very well be receiving excess compensation now. The only way to know is to evaluate the fair market analysis the finance committee did.

I know that Krista Tippets, host and head of the On Being podcast, which is done through a non-profit, makes not that much more than John (roughly $290k I believe). She has probably 100 times the listeners JD does, and her non-profit brings in $6 million as opposed to the almost $500k Open Stories Foundation pulls down every year.

If you go by the IRS's rules and use fair market value in the same geographic region, it's kind of hard to make comparisons, though because there's not tons of competition. Lindsey Hansen Park runs the Sunstone Foundation (or did? I haven't looked in a while), with a podcast and a huge conference etc etc and the highest I think I saw her salary was $70K.

So, yes, I think one could make an argument that his pay might be excessive. Based on the amount and type of work he was actually doing at the time, $90K was absolutely excessive in 2014. He was barely working part time and I was producing the podcast and had to help hire another producer toward the end of my tenure.


All of that is beside the point that if JD got audited today and they looked at his 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 990s and asked him to cough up extemporaneous records of fair market evaluations and board notes of how an independent committee came up with his salary, he'd be caught completely with his pants down. But we're talking about less than $100K per year each year and the IRS isn't going to get out of bed for that.

So, between the sexual harassment case getting thrown out on a technicality and John not making enough to make the IRS blink, he's used up 2 of his 9 lives at this point.

[Kukulkan]

But the best idea, drop this and move forward with your lives. The self aggrandizement of all parties is sad to witness. Literally no one of any consequence knows who JD is. If you want to take him down, forget him and make a difference in the lives of the masses. He will never grow outside of his small corner of a small religion.

Well said.

[jpatterson]

But the best idea, drop this and move forward with your lives. The self aggrandizement of all parties is sad to witness. Literally no one of any consequence knows who JD is. If you want to take him down, forget him and make a difference in the lives of the masses. He will never grow outside of his small corner of a small religion.

Well said.

Maybe it would help to have a list of things that are and are not acceptable to keep bringing up here? On the first three pages of this forum I count five separate threads on Dan Peterson. Does that bother you at all? Dan's pretty insignificant and I don't doubt there are plenty of posters here who would love to see him get some comeuppance.

What about Lou Midgley? His name comes up quite often and I had to Google him he's so insignificant. Are we allowed to keep bringing him up and controversies surrounding him or do we all need to move on from him too?