Priesthood for women

[_Mary]

Well I do apologize if you felt a need to bang your head at my comments , ruining your vacation.

No worries, it was just my attempt at some bland humour

But I'm not trying to convince you of how involved women were back in the early Christian movement , and I don't really think its going to change the here and now situation anyways.

I'm more hopeful Mktavish, that the role of women in at least some of the early Jesus Movments 'WILL' change the here and now.

The Church of England in it's recent vote on the ordination of women to the position of Bishops (they can already be vicars, deaconesses, etc) indicated that those in the know theologically - ie the House of Bishops, and the House of Clergy, voted FOR with a comfortable majority. It was the Laity that voted against, by a small majority of about 6 votes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/no ... en-bishops

If you can't tell , my line of thinking has been free'd from the notion that there has been divine guidance in the gospel over the ages. And has just been shaped by humans subject to evolutionary processes.
If you want to believe in divine guidance , it does make it harder to argue for women holding the priesthood.

From an LDS point of view maybe. But even taking an evolutionary standpoint, and certainly a social anthropological one, movements have had to adapt to survive. Infact the LDS church is a perfect example of that.

As far as Jesus was concerned IMHO ... I don't think he had a preference either way with respect to gender , and was soley focused on the individual leaving stereo type labels out of the equation.

Agreed.

Which is the whole basis of your point ? (correct?)

Yep!

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[_Jutta]

Damn English language

English can be a damned difficult language. I fight/struggle with it every day and I usually lose.

[_Mary]

What is your thoughts about the song Judas by Lady Gaga?

Not that its a deep subject , but lady gaga is

I've never heard it...

Over on Facebook, someone linked to Walter Wink's interpretations of the role of women in the New Testament in Jesus's lifetime. I have never heard of him, but was so pleased to see his opinions, which are utterly fascinating.

Here's the link, for anyone interested.

http://www.cta-usa.org/wicl/00wink.html

[_Mary]

Keep women in their place! "Blessed is the womb that bore you," cries a woman in the -crowd, "and the breasts that nursed you!" Why not give his mother credit in the only way the culture allowed it? Jesus refuses: "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it!" (Luke 11:27-28). This woman persists in believing that her value, like his mother Mary's, lies in bearing a male child and living out her ambitions through him. But Jesus retorts: You do not have to be "saved". any longer through bearing sons. You yourself, a woman, can hear the word of God and keep it. Indeed, if patriarchy is ever to be overturned, women will have to stop consenting to its expectations. (By the second century, women were again to be silent in worship and saved through childbearing-1 Tim. 2:11-15.)

My bold. So true, in my opinion.

[_Bazooka]

The only reason a that a woman has offered a prayer during conference for the first time in the Church's history is because the female members have been publicly noisy. The natives getting restless always prompts the Chiefs to receive inspiration.

If women want the Priesthood then the female members will need to arry out more "pant wearing" style demonstrations etc.

If entire Stakes of women went inactive stating that they would only come back to Church if they were equally eligible for the Priesthood low and behold, a revelation would be forthcoming.

[_Jutta]

If women want the Priesthood then the female members will need to arry out more "pant wearing" style demonstrations etc.

If women would do this, the following would happen:

These women would be excommunicated because they are "disobedient". The "task and determination of the woman" is given to other women as an order (a commandment) of God. Women shall not strive for power because only men may have power in the church.
As ERA (Equal Rights Ammendment) in the seventies came, Mormon women also fought for it within and outside the church. Sonja Johnson was one of their speakers. She experienced this pressure of the LDS men, among other men, Gordon B.Hinkley, at that time still an apostle. The same Hinkley which visit brothels according to a documentary movie as he was younger.

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[_Bazooka]

If women want the Priesthood then the female members will need to arry out more "pant wearing" style demonstrations etc.

If women would do this, the following would happen:

These women would be excommunicated because they are "disobedient". The "task and determination of the woman" is given to other women as an order (a commandment) of God. Women shall not strive for power because only men may have power in the church.
As ERA (Equal Rights Ammendment) in the seventies came, Mormon women also fought for it within and outside the church. Sonja Johnson was one of their speakers. She experienced this pressure of the LDS men, among other men, Gordon B.Hinkley, at that time still an apostle. The same Hinkley which visit brothels according to a documentary movie as he was younger.

I think if one or two women did that you could be right.

If whole wards of women started doing it, the Church would not discipline them, it would try to placate them.
For instance, from the recent pants wearing day how many participants have been excommunicated?
That's right, none of them.

[_subgenius]

If women want the Priesthood then the female members will need to arry out more "pant wearing" style demonstrations etc.

If women would do this, the following would happen:

These women would be excommunicated because they are "disobedient". The "task and determination of the woman" is given to other women as an order (a commandment) of God. Women shall not strive for power because only men may have power in the church.

CFR

As ERA (Equal Rights Ammendment) in the seventies came, Mormon women also fought for it within and outside the church. Sonja Johnson was one of their speakers. She experienced this pressure of the LDS men, among other men, Gordon B.Hinkley, at that time still an apostle. The same Hinkley which visit brothels according to a documentary movie as he was younger.

CFR

pardon me, but manic rants and accusation like read here don't seem to help your argument...but rather demean it.

How ironic that you feel such disdain for an organization that you are desperate to be a part of.