Same Sex Marriage - UK takes a step forward...

[_Bazooka]

God does say that a man lying with a man is an abomination. To try and call it marriage isn't going to change anything. Marriage isn't an abomination; therefore, two homosexuals cannot get married to each other. There is the indication that the man is to stay with his parents until he marries. That would indicate a younger individual. Or at least one young at heart. God doesn't miss anything.

Please quote where God says that "man lying with man is an abomination".
Please quote where God says that marriage has to involve "lying with each other".
Please quote where God says you shouldn't marry more than one partner.
Please quote where God determines that 12 year olds shouldn't marry 45 year olds?

[_Bazooka]

Thus the bark and biscuit.

Listen, if you've married a biscuit then I have nothing but admiration for you.
If, however, you've fallen for a piece of bark, well that's your own fault.

I guess your point is that God allows us room to decide certain things for ourselves.
Which is fine, so stop complaining when people decide certain things for themselves!

[_ludwigm]

Hey pals !! (Bazooka and subgenius)



You know, nil admirari !

Nihil admirari - or “Nil admirari” is a Latin phrase. It means “to be surprised by nothing”.
Marcus Tullius Cicero argues that real sapience consists of preparing oneself for all possible incidents and not being surprised by anything, using as an example Anaxagoras, who, when informed about the death of his son, said, “Sciebam me genuisse mortalem.” = I knew that I begot a mortal.
Horace (read as Horatius, stupid Engl language) and Seneca refer to similar occurrences and admired such moral fortitude.

[_subgenius]

Hey pals !! (Bazooka and subgenius)



You know, nil admirari !

Nihil admirari - or “Nil admirari” is a Latin phrase. It means “to be surprised by nothing”.
Marcus Tullius Cicero argues that real sapience consists of preparing oneself for all possible incidents and not being surprised by anything, using as an example Anaxagoras, who, when informed about the death of his son, said, “Sciebam me genuisse mortalem.” = I knew that I begot a mortal.
Horace (read as Horatius, stupid Engl language) and Seneca refer to similar occurrences and admired such moral fortitude.

I suppose that if a phrase is in Latin it is supposed to gain some sort of mystical authority?...this is a Mormon board, not Catholic.

back from the island of Elba where none post images....such relief you must feel.

[_subgenius]

Thus the bark and biscuit.

Listen, if you've married a biscuit then I have nothing but admiration for you.
If, however, you've fallen for a piece of bark, well that's your own fault.

I guess your point is that God allows us room to decide certain things for ourselves.
Which is fine, so stop complaining when people decide certain things for themselves!

yes, room...not universal expanse.
the point was that your conclusion is absurd, in context, with regard to SSM.

[_subgenius]

God does say that a man lying with a man is an abomination. To try and call it marriage isn't going to change anything. Marriage isn't an abomination; therefore, two homosexuals cannot get married to each other. There is the indication that the man is to stay with his parents until he marries. That would indicate a younger individual. Or at least one young at heart. God doesn't miss anything.

Please quote where God says that "man lying with man is an abomination".
Please quote where God says that marriage has to involve "lying with each other".
Please quote where God says you shouldn't marry more than one partner.
Please quote where God determines that 12 year olds shouldn't marry 45 year olds?

ouch...you need a copy of the Bible:

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/18-22.htm
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Then let my wife grind unto another, and let others bow down upon her. For this is an heinous crime; yea, it is an iniquity to be punished by the judges.
http://biblehub.com/job/31-10.htm

monogamy with wife is best understood in
Matthew 19:3–6 or perhaps 1 Timothy 3: 1-2

There is no age requirement mentioned in the Bible, but it clear by terminology that marriage was for adults and not for children...as for any difference between the age of adult spouses, i do not think there is a requirement, seems rather unnecessary.

p.s. if you private message me i can send you some links to online Bibles

[_Bazooka]

ouch...you need a copy of the Bible:

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/18-22.htm
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

So, as long as two men don't have sex with each other, God is okay with them being a couple.
There doesn't seem to be anything in God's words that suggest two men entering into a same sex "sexless" marriage, adopting an heterosexuals unwanted child and raising it.

There is no age requirement mentioned in the Bible, but it clear by terminology that marriage was for adults and not for children...as for any difference between the age of adult spouses, i do not think there is a requirement, seems rather unnecessary.

Excellent, so where does the Bible explain at what age God believes human's become "adult"?

p.s. if you private message me i can send you some links to online Bibles

Thanks for the offer, but you'd have been better tempting me with chocolate...

[_subgenius]

ouch...you need a copy of the Bible:

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/18-22.htm
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

So, as long as two men don't have sex with each other, God is okay with them being a couple.
There doesn't seem to be anything in God's words that suggest two men entering into a same sex "sexless" marriage, adopting an heterosexuals unwanted child and raising it.

i think you are beginning to confuse the Biblical, or Divine, intention of marriage with the Civil, or temporal, version. The latter was founded on the former and though there has been some divergence between the two they are not intended to be "separate but equal". SSM recognizes this in their overwhelming begging to be considered as "loving couples" as "just-as-good families", etc....their argument for equal access to property and legal service is weak and uninteresting on that topic.

There is no age requirement mentioned in the Bible, but it clear by terminology that marriage was for adults and not for children...as for any difference between the age of adult spouses, i do not think there is a requirement, seems rather unnecessary.

Excellent, so where does the Bible explain at what age God believes human's become "adult"?

my understanding is that it is apparent in the grammar and use of Hebrew. For example, if i write the following:
1. That man is married to that woman.
2. That man is married to that girl.
3. That boy is married to that woman.

In a formal grammatical sense, #1 is the only manner used in the scriptures. So, likewise our use of "adult" denoting pronouns is similar to the way they are used in the scriptures. So, while there is no overt mention of "child" or "adult", it is reasonably inferred because of the blatant use of the adult oriented pronouns. Now if God had been ambiguous and stated that an adult marries an adult, or adults then i might entertain your assumptions...but since He was mature-gender specific i cannot.

p.s. if you private message me i can send you some links to online Bibles

Thanks for the offer, but you'd have been better tempting me with chocolate...

i can compromise...start simple

[_Brackite]

ouch...you need a copy of the Bible:

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/18-22.htm
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Then let my wife grind unto another, and let others bow down upon her. For this is an heinous crime; yea, it is an iniquity to be punished by the judges.
http://biblehub.com/job/31-10.htm

monogamy with wife is best understood in
Matthew 19:3–6 or perhaps 1 Timothy 3: 1-2

There is no age requirement mentioned in the Bible, but it clear by terminology that marriage was for adults and not for children...as for any difference between the age of adult spouses, i do not think there is a requirement, seems rather unnecessary.

p.s. if you private message me i can send you some links to online Bibles

The Book of Mormon states that Polygamy is an abomination, but that didn't stop some early LDS Leaders, such as Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball from practicing Polygamy.

Here is Jacob Chapter Chapter Two, Verses 23 through 28:

Jacob 2:23-28:

[23] But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.

[24] Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

[25] Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.

[26] Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.

[27] Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

[28] For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.

[_subgenius]

The Book of Mormon states that Polygamy is an abomination, but that didn't stop some early LDS Leaders, such as Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball from practicing Polygamy.

Here is Jacob Chapter Chapter Two, Verses 23 through 28:

Jacob 2:23-28:

[23] But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.

[24] Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

[25] Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.

[26] Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.

[27] Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

[28] For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.

i am sure you had a point to posting this reference, so allow me to be presumptuous - i am not sure why you omitted the necessary verse #30
"For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things."

In other words, when the Lords commands it, polygamy is acceptable....and if the Lord commands SSM, then so be it...but that ain't happened, nor will it.