Moroni/Edgar Cayce promise: A comparison

[_sleepyhead]

Hello,

As some of you may know, A few years after my ex communication from the LDS church I became a student of the Edgar Cayce material and a lifetime member of the association dedicated to his material. I thought I would provide a comparison of the two promises, one from the Book of Mormon, and one from the magazine Venture Inward which is based on the EC material.

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"Moroni 10:3": 3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the
children of men, from the creation of Adam even down unto the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
"Moroni 10:4": 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere
heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
"Moroni 10:5": 5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
"Moroni 10:6": 6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.
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Obtaining Guidance for Oneself

On more than a dozen occasions the readings also prescribed a means of acting upon the premise that “psychic is of the soul” for obtaining intuitive guidance for one’s self. In part, the process seems very straightforward but it is also a way for the individual to develop a closer relationship with self while gaining practical experience in attunement.

Essentially, the approach can be used for any question in which the answer can be framed in terms of a “yes” or a “no.” Cayce advised thinking about the situation and then using one’s logic and mental abilities to simply decide “yes” or “no.” After making a preliminary decision, the question was to be set aside. Sometimes, Cayce told the
individual to put his or her mind on something else for a while; on other occasions, Cayce recommended moving right ahead to the second step. After making a conscious choice as to the best decision, the next step was for the individual to spend some quiet time in meditation and prayer— a personal time of attunement when the whole issue was to be set aside. After meditating, your attuned self was to then repeat the question and ask “yes or no.” Edgar Cayce stated that this was a great way to work with intuition within one’s self, and whenever you came to the same conclusion as your conscious decision then you could rest assured that the choice was correct. If the decisions were different, then the individual needed to revisit the entire issue and give it additional thought, meditation and prayer.

Venture inward Jan-Mar 2013 page 41

The reason I feel the EC promise is better is because the question has to be pertinent to the individual. It involves seeking guidance on a loife issue. In the Moroni one the problem I see is what difference does it make whether or not the natives of America were descended from a tribe of Israel. Why not rely on archeology or other sciences to determine their ancestry? If the Moroni promise can be used in place of research can it also be used to determine what stocks to buy?

[_Tobin]

The reason I feel the EC promise is better is because the question has to be pertinent to the individual. It involves seeking guidance on a loife issue. In the Moroni one the problem I see is what difference does it make whether or not the natives of America were descended from a tribe of Israel. Why not rely on archeology or other sciences to determine their ancestry? If the Moroni promise can be used in place of research can it also be used to determine what stocks to buy?

No, because Moroni's promise is that God will show up and manifest it is true. I doubt the EC would make such a claim (or tell you which stocks to buy specifically).

[_subgenius]

yup, Moroni's promise is pretty specific and with a context.
Me thinks your premise is flawed....though it does correctly admit its rather egocentric position.

[_sleepyhead]

Hello tobin and subgenius,

Sorry I haven't been here in a few days. I just noticed your responses.

Tobin>>>No, because Moroni's promise is that God will show up and manifest it is true. I doubt the EC would make such a claim (or tell you which stocks to buy specifically).<<<

What are you saying no to? Are you claiming that God will show up and tell you that the early inhabitants of America were descended from Levi as claimed in the Book of Mormon. Why would God have an interest in having you know these facts with regards to archeology. EC is dead so he won't be telling anyone anything. Are you claiming God will tell you what stocks to buy, and if not why won't he give this information, but be willing to give information with regards to archeology.

subgenius>>>yup, Moroni's promise is pretty specific and with a context. Me thinks your premise is flawed....though it does correctly admit its rather egocentric position.<<<

I don't understand what your saying. What premise are you referring to?

[_Tobin]

Hello tobin and subgenius,

Sorry I haven't been here in a few days. I just noticed your responses.

Tobin>>>No, because Moroni's promise is that God will show up and manifest it is true. I doubt the EC would make such a claim (or tell you which stocks to buy specifically).<<<

What are you saying no to? Are you claiming that God will show up and tell you that the early inhabitants of America were descended from Levi as claimed in the Book of Mormon. Why would God have an interest in having you know these facts with regards to archeology. EC is dead so he won't be telling anyone anything. Are you claiming God will tell you what stocks to buy, and if not why won't he give this information, but be willing to give information with regards to archeology.

Here is what Moroni's promise states. As I and subgenius have pointed out, it is very clear about what to expect:

Moroni 10:3-5

3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your chearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he (God, the Eternal Father) will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may aknow the btruth of all things.

It is stunning how many people can read that and not understand what that says. It doesn't say that you'll have some obscure feeling that could be caused by an undercooked potato. Joseph Smith didn't have a feeling. It says God himself will manifest (demonstrate) it is true to you by the power of the Holy Ghost. How did Joseph Smith have the truth manifested to him? God showed up and told him the truth. How have all the prophets had the truth manifested to them? God showed up and told them the truth. And the same is true of all the saints. This promise isn't about feelings. It's about proof and knowing God and the truth because God manifests it to you.

[_Bazooka]

Can someone explain how the power of the Holy Ghost manifests itself?

[_Themis]

It is stunning how many people can read that and not understand what that says. It doesn't say that you'll have some obscure feeling that could be caused by an undercooked potato. Joseph Smith didn't have a feeling. It says God himself will manifest (demonstrate) it is true to you by the power of the Holy Ghost. How did Joseph Smith have the truth manifested to him? God showed up and told him the truth. How have all the prophets had the truth manifested to them? God showed up and told them the truth. And the same is true of all the saints. This promise isn't about feelings. It's about proof and knowing God and the truth because God manifests it to you.

So stunning that you haven't found one person here who reads it the way you do. One might think they are missing something.

[_ldsfaqs]

Hello,

As some of you may know, A few years after my ex communication from the LDS church I became a student of the Edgar Cayce material and a lifetime member of the association dedicated to his material. I thought I would provide a comparison of the two promises, one from the Book of Mormon, and one from the magazine Venture Inward which is based on the EC material.

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The reason I feel the EC promise is better is because the question has to be pertinent to the individual. It involves seeking guidance on a loife issue. In the Moroni one the problem I see is what difference does it make whether or not the natives of America were descended from a tribe of Israel. Why not rely on archeology or other sciences to determine their ancestry? If the Moroni promise can be used in place of research can it also be used to determine what stocks to buy?

You are "confused"..... as all anti-mormons are.
The Moroni promise isn't "used in place of research" or with the absence of information/knowledge, it is used DURING research, during the obtainment of information.
You are reading the book, thus doing research. The Moroni promise is about the book in question, not about archeology or other sciences.

Mormons DO in fact use the sciences..... as part of the support of our Faith.
Rational people after all require rational facts.