Josephine Sessions

[_MsJack]

Droopy needs to watch an episode of Maury Povich.

[_Droopy]

I stopped watching that stuff back in the mid-nineties.

The very thought makes me physically ill.

[_Darth J]

non-empirical historical evidence

What does empirical historical evidence look like?

[_beastie]

Droopy, if I accept that Joseph did not even attempt to have sexual relations with anyone other than Emma, doesn't that mean Joseph flagrantly disregarded the whole reason why God allowed him to practice plural marriage in the first place? (To raise seed)

Good luck getting a straight answer to that question. He's dodged every time I've asked it. He apparently doesn't think God's will is relevant.

[_MsJack]

I stopped watching that stuff back in the mid-nineties.

The very thought makes me physically ill.

Well, maybe you stopped a little too early. There's a reason none of the men accused of being baby-daddies on Maury ever used the Clinton defense.

[_Tim the Enchanter]

Can I make a request that parodies include a reference to the work that is being parodied? I like a good parody as much as the next guy, but not everyone can pinpoint what is being parodied (in this case I can't) and that takes a lot of the fun out of it.

[_Themis]

Its called "evidence" Bob. Conjectural speculations based upon conflicting or inconsistent non-empirical historical evidence/documentation may point in the direction of possible future research or to modest, tentative inferences, but not to solid conclusions.

Which explains why you so adamantly deny that Joseph had sex with his polyandrous wives. There are statements that clearly suggest (but don't prove) sexual relations in the polyandrous marriages, but I haven't made solid conclusions. Have you?

Let me ask you, what is the evidence that the polyandrous marriages were not marriages in the sense that the "standard" plural marriages were? You seem to believe that the default position is that they were not consummated. What evidence makes you assume that?

It's more interesting to see people go to great lengths to deny the evidence we do have as well as the fact BY and others didn't have a problem with having sex with their wives, including the polyandrous ones. It tells me deep down they know this is not the kind of behavior for someone who is suppose to be a prophet of God.

Also I don't remember for sure, but was Sylvia separated at the time she would have gotten pregnant with Josephine?

[_bcspace]

Translation: Droopy has nothing because the evidence is pretty solid for Josephine. Nothing to see here. Move along.

No DNA to see eh? I agree, then. There is nothing here. When oh when will you check the children? Surely you guys could fund a DNA project (might take some breakthroughs for female children I hear) with all the hours you waste here?

[_beastie]

Don Bradley:

Naturally, historical scholarship can have faith implications, as scholarship does for the question you raise. There is at minimum one child who came from Joseph Smith's polygamy: Josephine Lyon Fisher. (This stills awaits DNA confirmation, but the published historical evidence for it is good, and I know of a great deal that is unpublished.) And I believe, with reason, that there were a couple others. Perhaps in time this will all get sorted out satisfactorily.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/504 ... ge__st__20

What's really funny about this is that when Don is proven right, bcspace and droopy will fall over themselves with new justifications.

[_Bazooka]

Translation: Droopy has nothing because the evidence is pretty solid for Josephine. Nothing to see here. Move along.

No DNA to see eh? I agree, then. There is nothing here. When oh when will you check the children? Surely you guys could fund a DNA project (might take some breakthroughs for female children I hear) with all the hours you waste here?

No need, I'm happy to run with the alternative conclusion that Joseph flagrantly disobeyed the commandment from God associated with his plural wives - to multiply. He didn't even try to obey God, right?