The Person and Nature of Jesus in the Book of Mormon

[_Mittens]

The Book of Mormon completely disagrees with Mormonism when it come to the Person and Nature of Jesus. Does the Book of Mormon teach Jesus was God the Father's Son in the pre-existence ? No, just the opposite it says he was God from Eternity . and only became the son because of the flesh. The Book of Mormon completely agrees with the Creeds, except where it teaches God the Father and Jesus are same person.


An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Translated by Joseph Smith, Jun.

2 Nephi 9:20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it.

2 Nephi 11:7 For if there be no Christ there be no God; and if there be no God we are not, for there could have been no creation. But there is a God, and he is Christ, and he cometh in the fulness of his own time.

God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120

2 Nephi 26:12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;

3 Nephi 19:18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

Mosiah 15
3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—


Mosiah 5:5 For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men , and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.

Mosiah 5:15 Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, that you may be brought to heaven, that ye may have everlasting salvation and eternal life, through the wisdom, and power, and justice, and mercy of him who created all things, in heaven and in earth, who is God above all. Amen.


Moroni 8:18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.


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[_bcspace]

The Book of Mormon completely disagrees with Mormonism when it come to the Person and Nature of Jesus. Does the Book of Mormon teach Jesus was God the Father's Son in the pre-existence ? No, just the opposite it says he was God from Eternity .

Sounds like the same thing to me. The Book of Abraham confirms that Jesus was greater than all those God created. In other words, a God before the world was which happens to be LDS doctrine and whcih the Bible does not conflict with.

and only became the son because of the flesh.

Jesus Christ referred to as the Son of God before his advent and Nephi's father had faith in him as the Son of God right then and there before he came in the flesh.

And it came to pass after I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost, which power he received by faith on the Son of God—and the Son of God was the Messiah who should come—I, Nephi, was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the gift of God unto gall those who diligently seek him, as well in times of hold as in the time that he should manifest himself unto the children of men.
1Nephi 10:17

The Book of Mormon completely agrees with the Creeds, except where it teaches God the Father and Jesus are same person.

The problem here is twofold 1) that the Book of Mormon is not taken alone in LDS doctrine. The Bible and Book of Mormon together agree with LDS doctrine but the Creeds are in complete conflict with the Bible as well as known early Christian doctrine. 2) I just gave two answers that show that the Book of Mormon does not agree with the Creeds.

[_Albion]

As good a time as any I suppose to ask why, if Jesus was A God before he came to earth he was able to circumvent the principle of progression required for all people, to which the Father was also subject, if he was already a God before going through a mortal life with all the necessary requirements for godhood. I have yet to hear a good explanation of this from any Mormon and would appreciate kn owing the current reasoning.

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[_bcspace]

As good a time as any I suppose to ask why, if Jesus was A God before he came to earth he was able to circumvent the principle of progression required for all people, to which the Father was also subject, if he was already a God before going through a mortal life with all the necessary requirements for godhood. I have yet to hear a good explanation of this from any Mormon and would appreciate kn owing the current reasoning.

I don't think he circumvented it at all. It's all relative. Being the greatest of all God's children, he was a God to us in the ante mortal existence and prior to his advent.

[_Tobin]

As good a time as any I suppose to ask why, if Jesus was A God before he came to earth he was able to circumvent the principle of progression required for all people, to which the Father was also subject, if he was already a God before going through a mortal life with all the necessary requirements for godhood. I have yet to hear a good explanation of this from any Mormon and would appreciate kn owing the current reasoning.

I don't think he circumvented it at all. It's all relative. Being the greatest of all God's children, he was a God to us in the ante mortal existence and prior to his advent.

Jesus is the only son of God. He is of a different character or species than us. God never makes mistakes for example and we do. God is an order of inteligence beyond us in every way. Another example of that is God saves us and we are unable to save ourselves. We are simply unable to do what Jesus (God) has done, does, or will do. It is simply a state of being that is beyond us.

[_Bazooka]

The Book of Mormon completely disagrees with Mormonism when it come to the Person and Nature of Jesus. Does the Book of Mormon teach Jesus was God the Father's Son in the pre-existence ? No, just the opposite it says he was God from Eternity .

The Book of Abraham confirms that Jesus was greater than all those God created.

Current tally: Mormon Jesus <0.2% of the population, Mormon Satan >99.8% of the population.
It seems like Satan is greater than Jesus, as least as far as the polls go...

[_Bazooka]

Jesus is the only son of God. He is of a different character or species than us. God never makes mistakes for example and we do. God is an order of inteligence beyond us in every way. Another example of that is God saves us and we are unable to save ourselves. We are simply unable to do what Jesus (God) has done, does, or will do. It is simply a state of being that is beyond us.

He does come across as an only child...

[_Albion]

Neither response answers the question. If coming to earth and gaining a body is part of the process of progressing to godhood, how was Jesus a God before he did that?

[_Bazooka]

Neither response answers the question. If coming to earth and gaining a body is part of the process of progressing to godhood, how was Jesus a God before he did that?

Also, if Jesus was a God prior to his birth, then presumably His sibling Satan is a God too...