If one is not humble enough to join God's only true Church, then one is not poor in spirit.
But, if one is clever, one can wait until the next life to find that humility, based on more information, and yet still get into the Celestial Kingdom.
That implies prior knowledge of the truth hence Terrestial would be as far as one could get. Deliberate attempts at deception in my mind would seem to relegate one to the Telestial.
bcspace wrote:That implies prior knowledge of the truth hence Terrestial would be as far as one could get. Deliberate attempts at deception in my mind would seem to relegate one to the Telestial.
So, the missionary programme actually makes it harder for people to return to live with God? In that, if the Church informed nobody about the Gospel, humanity would be free to live a life without eternal consequences and then listen to the Gospel at the point they know for sure there is life after death.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
bcspace wrote: That implies prior knowledge of the truth hence Terrestial would be as far as one could get. Deliberate attempts at deception in my mind would seem to relegate one to the Telestial.
Who is going to inherit the Terrestrial Kingdom?
Terrestrial Kingdom
These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fulness. These are they who receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father. Wherefore, they are bodies terrestrial, and not bodies celestial, and differ in glory as the moon differs from the sun. These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore, they obtain not the crown over the kingdom of our God (Doctrine and Covenants 76:76-79).
The Terrestrial kingdom is symbolically represented as the moon. It is related to the moon because although it does not give forth as much light as the sun (Celestial), it gives more light (when viewed from earth) than the stars (Telestial). While people in the Terrestrial kingdom receive of God's glory, they cannot receive of His fullness or dwell eternally in His presence.
They died without law. They received a testimony of Christ after this life (See Spirit World), but had rejected it while on the earth. They were honorable people who allowed themselves to be blinded by the wickedness of the world. They were not valiant in their testimonies of Jesus Christ.
The Spirit World is located here on earth in what could be termed another dimension. At times when the veil is thin, we can see the spirits in the Spirit World through the veil.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches of three degrees of glory or kingdoms of heaven in the afterlife: the Celestial Kingdom, Terrestrial Kingdom, and Telestial Kingdom. Paul likened these kingdoms to the realtive radiance of the sun, moon, and stars (1 Cor 15:40-41; cf. D&C 76:50-98). Further evidence of a heaven with multiple kingdoms is found in Jesus' statement, "In my Father's house are many mansions" (John 14:2). On February 16, 1832, the Prophet Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon saw in vision the three degrees of glory, identifying the glory of the Terrestrial Kingdom as typical "of the moon [which] differs from the sun in the firmament" (D&C 76:71).
The terrestrial glory is for those who lived honorable lives on the earth but "were blinded by the craftiness of men" and were "not valiant in the testimony of Jesus." Those who did not receive a testimony of Jesus while on earth, but who could have done so except for their neglect, are also heirs to the Terrestrial Kingdom (D&C 76:72-74, 79). They obtain not "the crown over the kingdom of our God" (D&C 76:79) and remain without exaltation in their saved condition (D&C 132:17). They "receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father," and their kingdom differs from the celestial "as the moon differs from the sun" (D&C 76:77-78).
LittleNipper wrote: The word "universal" is also translated "catholic." I do not see this as being "Mormon" in anyway shape or form.
However, in the primal tongue Mormon is an amalgam of the word Mor meaning more and Mon meaning man in Jamaican-speak. Usage: "Hey mon, would you like some mor ganja?"
moksha wrote:What? how is the word universal translated to catholic?
My view of universial is just as relevent. And it only includes christianity by a percent (the whole of believing Christ)
I don't know how people cannot see the laws of Karma and Reincarnation being the predominant theory of our existence.
It makes way more sense than and end all be all judgement time to decide your fate for all eternity.
The word catholic (with lowercase c; derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning "universal") comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (katholou), meaning "on the whole", "according to the whole" or "in general", and is a combination of the Greek words κατά meaning "about" and όλος meaning "whole".
Karma is a process of good or bad works with due reward. Reincarnation is a process of being reborn until one achieves perfection. Both ideas are founded in selfrighteousness without the need of a Savior.
Check the Apostles' Creed for usage of the word catholic in the sense of universal/worldwide...a creed recited in numerous Christian churches that are not Roman Catholic.
